Gotta give Haberman credit for this.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 8:28 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > So, this NYT article from yesterday is a classic Haberman piece (though > note she shares byline with the great Peter Baker and Annie Karni). Just as > Miller was in the pocket of VP Cheney, Haberman has been cozy with Pence, > and his allies, and I can’t think of a NYT article that makes that cozy > relationship more clear. > > One of the things that makes Maggie less horrible than Judith Miller is > that Cheney was actually the driver of Bushism, so by functioning as > Cheney’s mouthpiece she was actually pushing Bush in a more extreme > direction. Pence and his allies OTOH see themselves (with maybe some, > though not nearly as much as they think, justification) as a break on > Trumpism. > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/politics/mike-pence-trump.html > > On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 3:22 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Durant example is a good one, though I think more directly applies to >> Miller (who not only wanted access, but was ideologically cozy and lazy), >> than Haberman (who has been compromising for access, but also does real >> reporting on her own, and I don’t think is particularly Trumpy in the way >> that Miller was Bushy). >> >> I think you are exactly right that the changed climate is likely to show >> that the compromises Maggie made were not nearly worth it. >> >> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 2:26 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 9:15 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I’ve actually had two brief Twitter arguments with Maggie Haberman. >>>> She is not as bad as many of her critics maintain, but she is the prototype >>>> of a certain kind of New York Times reporter, who sacrifices truth and >>>> accuracy for access to powerful government sources. In a way she is the >>>> Judith Miller of the Trump era (that is an exaggeration, she is nowhere >>>> near as bad as Miller was). >>>> >>>> Still, any reporter, even Maggie or Chucky Todd, is a hero of the >>>> Republic in the era of Trump’s constant war against the press. >>>> >>> >>> The story I heard about the Times when I was a young adult was about >>> Walter Duranty. In the 1930s Stalin was industrializing the USSR and he >>> needed export commodities to exchange for industrial parts. The grain farms >>> in the Ukraine were collectivized and the government gave the local workers >>> a starvation allowance of food and took the rest of the grain for food. >>> Tens of thousands of people starved to death and any farmer who kept any >>> grain to feed his family was arrested and executed. From time to time word >>> got out to the west about the mass starvation and the Times asked Duranty, >>> their reporter in Moscow, to investigate. He never left Moscow (and may not >>> have been able to) and he talked to his Soviet government sources who >>> denied that there was a mass starvation. And that was the story he filed >>> each time. When the cult of Stalin ended in 1956 a lot of suppressed >>> stories came out and there was a lot of anger in the US toward the NY Times >>> for abetting a mass atrocity. Duranty was supposed to be a lesson to >>> journalism about choosing access over investigation. >>> >>> One thing I haven't seen discussed yet is that the new Congress will >>> certainly be having hearings about what has happened during the last 4 >>> years and why. When the Democratic led House had hearings in 2019 and 2020 >>> they got blocked by the refusal of the White House to allow their people to >>> testify and the refusal of the DOJ to enforce subpoenas. Civil service >>> employees couldn't be protected from retaliation. All of that changes on >>> the 20th as the political appointees will no longer be in the White House >>> and have presidential protection and the civil service employees will be >>> encouraged to testify. 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