She is still talking about it https://www.instagram.com/tv/CW7Q48FlKgE/
On Wed, Dec 1, 2021, 7:27 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > On Howie Mandel’s most recent episode of his podcast, Howie pointed out to > Sarah Silverman that the actress she chose to portray her mother in an > upcoming off-Broadway musical about her childhood isn’t Jewish. Silverman’s > response was that it was ok because her mom “isn’t very Jewy.” > > I… I had to… I had to switch off the podcast after that. > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:28 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for the correction on EGR, I was less than 100% on the exact role >> he played but too tired to look it up at the time. Only watched that film >> once, in a re-release at a drive-in with my grandparents. Also, completely >> agree with your point about Silverman. >> >> There may be no way to prove the non existence of a historical Moses, but >> the burden of proof is on the claim that there was one, and that is a >> burden that can only be met through the eyes of faith. In any case, I don’t >> think think the absence of a modern Jewish actor playing Moses is in the >> top 100 most persuasive examples of the problematic aspects of Jewish >> appropriation in the movies, so it is odd that’s the one NPR decided to go >> with. >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 10:25 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The difference between Silverman’s take and the others is that hers took >>> the form of a grievance and the others are more of an observation. In the >>> NPR article she’s now walking back that grievance. It’s one thing to note >>> that the roles of Jewish women are being played by non-Jewish actresses and >>> another to claim it’s a failure of representation. >>> >>> There will never be a way to prove or disprove the existence of a >>> historical Moses. There are so few contemporary texts or archeological >>> evidence available to provide anything meaningful. The Egyptian historical >>> record doesn’t match the biblical account and that’s meaningful. But there >>> could have been a tribal chieftain named Moses who led a Hebrew speaking >>> people from Egypt to Canaan without the plagues and miracles. >>> >>> Yup Brynner played pharaoh in The Ten Commandments. Edward G Robinson >>> played Dothan who was comedy relief and a foil for Moses. I remember >>> speculation that Robinson really wanted to be in the movie and the studio >>> wanted to punish him for his left leaning views during the McCarthy era and >>> that was the only role they would give him. >>> >>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 8:55 AM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Bial’s take is thoughtful and nuanced (which I guess just means I agree >>> with him). I’m not so sure about the author of the article, who cites as >>> one of the more problematic appropriations Charlton Heston playing Moses, >>> who A) may have been Hebrew, but was not Jewish in any recognizably modern >>> or technical sense (that term would not have applied at the time) and B) >>> with all due respect, probably has to be regarded as a fictional character. >>> >>> More striking from that film is the casting of Edward G Robinson as >>> Pharaoh, not so much for cultural appropriation, but hilarious miscasting. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 3:09 AM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> NPR weighs in. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.npr.org/2021/11/16/1053632682/jewish-roles-movies-tv-sarah-silverman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 10:22 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think Tom makes the main point that there is a relevant discussion >>>>>> to be had here, but it easily regresses into progressive caricature when >>>>>> it >>>>>> abandons nuance and flexibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the most problematic part of Silverman’s argument is the use >>>>>> of the term “Jewface” (not sure if that was part of the original Time >>>>>> article Tom refers to). The problem with Blackface is not primarily that >>>>>> famous white actors got roles denied Black actors. Blackface was >>>>>> explicitly >>>>>> part of a larger social process of stigmatizing, de-legitimizing and >>>>>> rationalizing a pervasive, violent antiBlack regime. The analogy is not >>>>>> to >>>>>> Rachel Brosnahan playing an attractive, intelligent and very likable Mrs >>>>>> Maisel, but maybe to something that could have existed in 1930s Germany >>>>>> with Aryans wearing stereotypical noses and clothing and enacting >>>>>> characters that would justify the attitudes and assumptions that led to >>>>>> the >>>>>> Holocaust. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don’t necessarily blame Silverman for this, the whole modern >>>>>> critique of blackface has tended to turn it into the “representation” >>>>>> issue >>>>>> that Silverman is writing about, which tends to minimize and trivialize >>>>>> what the problem with blackface was. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jewface wasn't in the Time article. That article was about being >>>>> sensitive to having Jewish women being excluded from stories about Jewish >>>>> women. I have a CD called Jewface, which is a collection of recordings of >>>>> songs made during the first decades of the previous century. The songs are >>>>> from vaudeville and are ethnic caricatures of Jewish characters. The songs >>>>> are written and performed by Jewish men. 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