I am saying: 1) the claim that non former players can not make observations about the game is invalid and 2) since there are lots of male non former players who have criticized the 49er current QB, the fact that Garcia went off on Kimes is a pretty good prima facie case that he is being sexist.
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 2:21 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: > Garcia said what disqualifies her is that she never played, not that she > is female. He is not giving a pass to male sports commentators who have not > played. > Why does he criticize her? Is he being sexist? Or was that the criticism > he saw that triggered him? > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 2:03 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am not seeing the connection. Clearly not all athletic performance can >> be reduced to numbers, and the evaluation of athletes will always be partly >> subjective. But that has nothing to do with whether the evaluator has >> played the game themselves. As has been noted by many opining on this >> incident, lots of male sports broadcasters never played, and lots of former >> jocks are idiots whose judgements are worthless, or worse - I remember >> reading Howard Cosell’s book “I Never Played The Game” when I was a kid, >> who argued that his lack of playing experience made him a better sports >> broadcaster. >> >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 1:30 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I am not referring to the Kimes incident specifically but to >>> non-athletes commenting on athletic performances. Too much emphasis is >>> placed on stats and not things like leadership and teamwork. Johnny Unitas >>> was maybe just an above average passer who could hit the long ball but >>> everyone seems to agree he was one of the great leaders. And that qualifies >>> him as one of the great quarterbacks. >>> So Garoplo's contributions may not show up in the stats but show up in >>> the wins. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 1:08 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What valid point to you think the Jeff Garcia side of this debate has? >>>> Suppose if you are a 49er fan (I am not) you might consider the criticism >>>> of Garappalo to be overly harsh or mean spirited, but that does not seem to >>>> be Garcia’s point. Garcia seems to think that Terry Bradshaw could have >>>> said the same thing Kime did and it would not have been a problem. >>>> >>>> I have never thrown a pass in the NFL but I have had to sift through a >>>> lot of bullshit from a lot of assholes, so I feel more than qualified to >>>> dismiss Jeff Garcia. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 12:52 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://deadspin.com/jeff-garcia-goes-after-mina-kimes-in-rant-straight-out-1848435683 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Molly Qerim, who was parodied recently on SNL, blasts Garcia as well. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.instagram.com/mollyqerim/tv/CZR9bkgBzK3/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Both sides have a point. 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