Yesterday the anthems were heard on Fox before the US-Wales match, although that could've been because it was the USA.
Mark Jeffries [email protected] On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 7:57 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > I respect your decision very much Adam. I think this is the third WC I > have watched seriously, and I am still basically a tourist, without deep > emotional ties to the game. I consider the NFL to be guilty of serious > crimes and human rights abuses (perhaps not on the scale of Qatar) and have > not been able to stop myself from following a season or Super Bowl, in > large part due to childhood associations watching games with my father. I > considered boycotting this WC, which would be relatively painless for me, > but for several reasons, some personal some philosophical, decided against > it. But I do respect those who, at great personal cost, chose otherwise. > > I am aware of the long history of corruption by FIFA, I think first made > aware by John Oliver some years ago, maybe early in his HBO career (I have > not yet had a chance to watch his most recent show, I’m sure he addressed > it). I don’t know that everybody is ignoring it this time and just enjoying > the game though, my understanding is FIFA is still under criminal > investigation in several countries. > > While heartless dictators largely do what they want, When it comes to > something as internationally significant as this event, I think there are > constraints. Would Qatar really kick Fox out for offering cursory coverage > and even criticism of human rights abuses? Possibly, but I doubt it. Doing > that would only amplify the impact of the criticism 100-fold, and shrink > the footprint of their big propaganda event. > > While I have yet to see any notice taken by Fox commentators of human > rights abuses in Qatar, the announcers in the England Match did note that > many Iranian fans booed the Iranian national anthem (unlike last WC, which > in my memory did show the anthems at the start, so far I am not seeing > them, though perhaps that is just because of where the YoutubeTV DVR is > starting the recording? > > On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 4:48 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I note that the BBC, also a rights holder, didn't show the opening >> ceremony on Sunday, instead explaining the background to the tournament and >> the issues of migrant worker deaths and lack of human rights in the country. >> >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/20/bbc-ignores-world-cup-opening-ceremony-in-favour-of-qatar-criticism >> >> I don't really have an issue with a majority muslim country banning >> alcohol in the stadiums, although that feels like something that should >> have been announced more than 48 hours before the event. And if FIFA gets >> sued by Anheuser-Busch InBev, then I'll laugh. Sadly, I suspect they'll sit >> on their hands and remember that the 2026 competition is in the US. >> >> Yes, the World Cup has been held in authoritarian countries before - as, >> on a regular basis, does the Olympics. But I can't sit by and watch a >> football tournament take place built on modern day slavery, with perhaps as >> many as 6,500 deaths. (Whatever the real number, it's massive). >> >> So I'm sitting this one out. I didn't watch England today, and sat out >> Wales/USA this evening. >> >> And yes - this is my favourite sport. So if England actually does >> progress far in the tournament, it will be torture. But metaphorical >> torture. Not actual torture, like building stadia in >50C/120F conditions >> whilst living in squalour and being paid a pittance. >> >> >> Adam >> >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 11:33 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> FIFA has always been a corrupt sewer. The corruption was low key and >>> easy enough to ignore before media rights money exploded. So the corruption >>> has become massive and unavoidable to notice but it’s so deeply ingrained >>> in the institution that getting rid of it will mean destroying the >>> organization and trying to start over again and the money people prefer the >>> status quo. >>> >>> It was openly known and reported on that the choice of countries like >>> Russia and Qatar was the result of bribery. Yet when the games start >>> everybody turns a blind eye to whatever problems are associated with the >>> home country and just concentrate on the soccer. With all of the money Fox >>> Sports invested in carrying the World Cup they are just going to play along >>> like all of the other rights holders. Part of the issue of holding the >>> World Cup in a dictatorial country is the local leader can make any >>> decision they want and FIFA is going to spinelessly accommodate it. The >>> decision about the armbands is one instance and screwing the long time >>> sponsor Budweiser is another. If the Qatari government is unhappy with Fox >>> Sports they can throw them out of the country and nobody can overrule them. >>> >>> If you want to see stories about the ugly side of the Cup, you can find >>> them in Sports Illustrated, The Ringer, The Athletic, and pretty much >>> anybody else who covers sports. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 5:31 PM Brad Beam <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr Oliver is with you on Qatari behavior, but yeah, he’s gonna watch >>>> the World Cup as well. >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/UMqLDhl8PXw >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Nov 21, 2022, at 16:09, Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Two problems: >>>> 1. You don't want to waste a substitute (you only have five subs in >>>> three opportunities). >>>> 2. Yellow cards accumulate both within and outside matches: when you >>>> get a second yellow card, you're required to sit out the following match. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Fuck FIFA. >>>>> >>>>> I get it (though my understanding is that an in game penalty is >>>>> unusual if not unheard of for a uniform violation like this). Still, would >>>>> like to see what kind of WC this would become if FIFA would up >>>>> disqualifying the Captains of 8 or so European teams. >>>>> >>>>> As a Soccer neophyte: Would it technically have been possible to make >>>>> like the worst player the Captain and let them take the Yellow Card? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 12:44 PM Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> FIFA put the kibosh on the armbands: >>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/11/21/world-cup-one-love-armbands-yellow-cards/ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:27 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is helpful. I have watched the first two matches, and currently >>>>>>> in the 12th minute of the Wales-US match, and have been waiting for some >>>>>>> mention of the human rights issues. So far, nothing. They do show shots >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Beckham, but without the obvious context. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, I see the Euros decided not to go with the Rainbow armbands? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was not attending to the fact this was Fox (probably would have >>>>>>> guessed ESPN), though yes, now that I think of it I do see the Fox bug >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> upper left. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 10:19 AM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When asked at a press conference whether they would report on the >>>>>>>> horrible track record regarding human rights of Qatar as part of their >>>>>>>> FIFA >>>>>>>> World Cup coverage, Fox Sports said something like "the fans want to >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> the World Cup" (NBCU's Telemundo, which has the Spanish language >>>>>>>> rights to >>>>>>>> the tournament, says they and NBC News in English will report on the >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>> of the event). Considering that government-owned Qatar Airways is a >>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>> sponsor of the coverage and has made it possible for Fox to have live >>>>>>>> announcers at every venue for every match (while, as in the past, TEL's >>>>>>>> Andres Cantor will make his trademark "GOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!" call from >>>>>>>> studios at Universal City), it is no surprise that they made the >>>>>>>> remark--and there was nothing on foxsports.com about the decision >>>>>>>> to not sell alcohol at venues (while that was on TEL's website): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://wapo.st/3EPSeDt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/bdd9463f-4f99-4f3d-b225-bc4cf5b4cfean%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> 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