just for reference.... here's the Little Steven group diddy protesting apartheid. a pretty long video for the times of MTV.
https://youtu.be/9fR2r8Qlyyk?si=s46WSaP2QU8WcLHl On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 10:52 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > There are similarities but it’s not the same thing. For years any time > someone criticized the apartheid regime of South Africa, the government > would talk about the communist leanings of African revolutionary movements > and claim to be a bulwark against them. That was enough to shut up > criticism from the West. Eventually a new grassroots campaign started > around non-governmental actions like boycotts and disinvestment. South > Africa became a pariah. It was fairly late in the process when Sun City > opened and the owner tried to get entertainers to come with big paychecks. > The point is that South Africa was already recognized as a pariah state. > > Saudi Arabia isn’t a pariah state. Reasonable people can sit in a room and > debate whether they should be and whatever they decide won’t come to > anything in the real world. Nobody is breaking a boycott by performing > there. > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:09 AM Mark Smith <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The Saudi situation reminds me of South Africa similar attempts that >> tempted >> with money to give up your soul. >> >> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 10:17 PM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> [email protected] >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/tvornottv/topics> >>> Google >>> Groups >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> >>> [image: >>> Google Groups Logo] >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> >>> Topic digest >>> View all topics >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/tvornottv/topics> >>> >>> - OT: Saudi royals pay big bucks for comics to perform >>> >>> <#m_3361078242209575107_m_2573486192193581401_m_1603801987758976694_group_thread_0> >>> - 2 Updates >>> - 'Access' Staffers Laid Off and It's Versant's Fault >>> >>> <#m_3361078242209575107_m_2573486192193581401_m_1603801987758976694_group_thread_1> >>> - 1 Update >>> >>> OT: Saudi royals pay big bucks for comics to perform >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/751f7fdec9a9df57?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >>> Kevin M. <[email protected]>: Sep 28 02:49PM -0700 >>> >>> Pete Davidson and Bill Burr, among others. All being paid over $300k to >>> attend a comedy festival in Saudi Arabia. Naturally, their free speech is >>> restricted. >>> >>> >>> https://variety.com/2025/politics/global/marc-maron-human-rights-riyadh-comedy-festival-1236530044/?fbclid=IwdGRjcANGi2dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHq9XCn-5tz1PrkXQX1TwrE9afhdZGDzCuDlTDax5mfHp41nfUs9kAwCnjvux_aem_ffRsmd1pFf2Q1ETsYAAhLw >>> >>> People like Marc Maron are questioning the ethics of taking money from >>> the >>> same prince who not too long ago murdered a journalist. >>> >>> Leah Remini has weighed in. >>> >>> https://youtu.be/FDBqz1Va4Js?si=WPwgkooQELR6S6Pv >>> >>> >>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>> Tom Wolper <[email protected]>: Sep 28 07:45PM -0400 >>> >>> The Saudis are putting a ton of money into laundering their reputation, >>> up >>> to now through golf and soccer. I’ve seen some comics post their >>> invitations to let their fans know they turned it down. 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