Yikes, of course I meant to write Deveoper Advocate, and not Developer Evangelist.
On Apr 6, 8:51 pm, Dewald Pretorius <[email protected]> wrote: > Very well said, Andrew. > > Taylor, a Developer Evangelist is supposed to be someone who is paid > by Twitter to represent the developers, speak on their behalf in > meetings and conversations, represent their interests even when those > interests are directly opposed to Twitter's, fight on behalf of the > developers, and proactively take actions that will further and protect > developer interests. > > A Developer Advocate is in a way synonymous with a union shop steward. > > I don't know if this is what you did at LinkedIn as their Developer > Advocate. If not, then they (not you) too missed the mark by assigning > to you the wrong task list. > > If this is not what Twitter wants to pay you to do, then fine. Then > they must just not pretend to have a Developer Advocate by slapping > that title on somebody. > > Titles matter, but they mean nothing if you're not doing what the > title implies. > > With so many thousands of developers out there, as a true Developer > Advocate, you shouldn't have time to do coding, documentation, and > whatever else they have you doing. > > Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Andrew's full employment history > and business background. But, I've been in the IT industry since 1980, > and I've been at Vice President level of a large IT consulting > company. Hence, with some things there is a slight possibility that I > may know a little about what I'm talking. > > On Apr 6, 8:14 pm, Andrew Badera <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Taylor, > > > Your job title very much does matter. Any respectable public/"open" > > API publisher needs to be concerned with the needs, wants and feelings > > of their developer community. If you are part of Twitter's effort to > > address this concern, then you need to be doing certain things. If you > > are not, then you probably should not be labelled as doing these > > things in order not to produce misleading expectations among > > aforementioned developer community. > > > From the sounds of things, you're somewhere between evangelist and > > client services, but nowhere close to being in the ballpark of > > developer advocate. I'm not saying you're not doing a good job, I'm > > just saying you're not doing THAT job. > > > Unfortunately this just contributes to the idea that Twitter doesn't > > care about the people who enabled its success, that it's grown too > > big, too fast, to remember the little people, that it's all about the > > big money and not at all about the community. I'm sure that's driven > > in large part by Evil Investors, but somewhere at Twitter, someone > > needs to take a stand and strike a balance. Apparently that's not you. > > > ∞ Andy Badera > > ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice > > ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private > > ∞ Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Taylor Singletary > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey everyone, > > > My job title doesn't matter much. I do what I can and what needs to be > > > done, > > > whether that's being a contributing programmer on upcoming platform > > > features, thoroughly testing an API before launch, analyzing > > > implementations > > > for spec compliance, communicating to and with the developer community, > > > working closely with partners, writing documentation, or otherwise. My > > > focus > > > is on making the developer experience a positive one regardless of what > > > bucket you fit into (hobbyist, corporate contributor, research scientist, > > > or > > > entrepreneur, or another lovely bucket). I might do that through building > > > internal tools that make it more efficient and scalable for us to support > > > you, I might do that by helping people out here who have questions, and I > > > certainly might do that by channeling feedback generated in this > > > particular > > > segment of the developer community back to internal teams. > > > When answering questions or engaging in discussions on this forum, I try > > > to > > > answer specific questions that are representative of the whole. I might > > > not > > > answer your specific question, but it's likely I'll answer a similar > > > question with a response that would also apply to your own. Sometimes I > > > will > > > be intentionally obtuse. Often I will be overly verbose. If I don't > > > perceive > > > that I have something meaningful or valuable to add to a conversation or > > > argument, I won't likely respond. > > > We're listening. You're always a factor in the decision making process. > > > Sometimes the community can help change a decision mid-flight (like us > > > deciding to find another way to keep public_timeline alive, despite our > > > desire to deprecate). There will be other times that we'll make a decision > > > that's not in alignment with the perceived popular opinion. All of these > > > things are true. I'll do my best to be transparent on our thought process > > > when it's appropriate to do so; there are times when we won't make our > > > intentions perfectly clear. > > > The Twitter API will change. You & I will change with it. This is > > > abstract. > > > This is concrete. This is not a surprise. This is not a pipe. > > > I'm still learning. > > > Taylor Singletary > > > Developer Advocate, Twitter > > >http://twitter.com/episod > > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> On 04/06/2010 09:31 AM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: > > >> > all in all - i hope a lot of you are coming to chirp, as i would > > >> > absolutely > > >> > happy to have this conversation in person over some beers :P > > > >> Black coffee for me, decaf if we're doing this at the "hack session / > > >> unconference" ;-) > > > >> -- > > >> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky > > >> borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky > > > >> "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." ~ Paul > > >> Erdős- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
