Yikes, of course I meant to write Deveoper Advocate, and not Developer
Evangelist.

On Apr 6, 8:51 pm, Dewald Pretorius <[email protected]> wrote:
> Very well said, Andrew.
>
> Taylor, a Developer Evangelist is supposed to be someone who is paid
> by Twitter to represent the developers, speak on their behalf in
> meetings and conversations, represent their interests even when those
> interests are directly opposed to Twitter's, fight on behalf of the
> developers, and proactively take actions that will further and protect
> developer interests.
>
> A Developer Advocate is in a way synonymous with a union shop steward.
>
> I don't know if this is what you did at LinkedIn as their Developer
> Advocate. If not, then they (not you) too missed the mark by assigning
> to you the wrong task list.
>
>  If this is not what Twitter wants to pay you to do, then fine. Then
> they must just not pretend to have a Developer Advocate by slapping
> that title on somebody.
>
> Titles matter, but they mean nothing if you're not doing what the
> title implies.
>
> With so many thousands of developers out there, as a true Developer
> Advocate, you shouldn't have time to do coding, documentation, and
> whatever else they have you doing.
>
> Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Andrew's full employment history
> and business background. But, I've been in the IT industry since 1980,
> and I've been at Vice President level of a large IT consulting
> company. Hence, with some things there is a slight possibility that I
> may know a little about what I'm talking.
>
> On Apr 6, 8:14 pm, Andrew Badera <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Taylor,
>
> > Your job title very much does matter. Any respectable public/"open"
> > API publisher needs to be concerned with the needs, wants and feelings
> > of their developer community. If you are part of Twitter's effort to
> > address this concern, then you need to be doing certain things. If you
> > are not, then you probably should not be labelled as doing these
> > things in order not to produce misleading expectations among
> > aforementioned developer community.
>
> > From the sounds of things, you're somewhere between evangelist and
> > client services, but nowhere close to being in the ballpark of
> > developer advocate. I'm not saying you're not doing a good job, I'm
> > just saying you're not doing THAT job.
>
> > Unfortunately this just contributes to the idea that Twitter doesn't
> > care about the people who enabled its success, that it's grown too
> > big, too fast, to remember the little people, that it's all about the
> > big money and not at all about the community. I'm sure that's driven
> > in large part by Evil Investors, but somewhere at Twitter, someone
> > needs to take a stand and strike a balance. Apparently that's not you.
>
> > ∞ Andy Badera
> > ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice
> > ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private
> > ∞ Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera
>
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Taylor Singletary
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hey everyone,
> > > My job title doesn't matter much. I do what I can and what needs to be 
> > > done,
> > > whether that's being a contributing programmer on upcoming platform
> > > features, thoroughly testing an API before launch, analyzing 
> > > implementations
> > > for spec compliance, communicating to and with the developer community,
> > > working closely with partners, writing documentation, or otherwise. My 
> > > focus
> > > is on making the developer experience a positive one regardless of what
> > > bucket you fit into (hobbyist, corporate contributor, research scientist, 
> > > or
> > > entrepreneur, or another lovely bucket). I might do that through building
> > > internal tools that make it more efficient and scalable for us to support
> > > you, I might do that by helping people out here who have questions, and I
> > > certainly might do that by channeling feedback generated in this 
> > > particular
> > > segment of the developer community back to internal teams.
> > > When answering questions or engaging in discussions on this forum, I try 
> > > to
> > > answer specific questions that are representative of the whole. I might 
> > > not
> > > answer your specific question, but it's likely I'll answer a similar
> > > question with a response that would also apply to your own. Sometimes I 
> > > will
> > > be intentionally obtuse. Often I will be overly verbose. If I don't 
> > > perceive
> > > that I have something meaningful or valuable to add to a conversation or
> > > argument, I won't likely respond.
> > > We're listening. You're always a factor in the decision making process.
> > > Sometimes the community can help change a decision mid-flight (like us
> > > deciding to find another way to keep public_timeline alive, despite our
> > > desire to deprecate). There will be other times that we'll make a decision
> > > that's not in alignment with the perceived popular opinion. All of these
> > > things are true. I'll do my best to be transparent on our thought process
> > > when it's appropriate to do so; there are times when we won't make our
> > > intentions perfectly clear.
> > > The Twitter API will change. You & I will change with it. This is 
> > > abstract.
> > > This is concrete. This is not a surprise. This is not a pipe.
> > > I'm still learning.
> > > Taylor Singletary
> > > Developer Advocate, Twitter
> > >http://twitter.com/episod
>
> > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky 
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> On 04/06/2010 09:31 AM, Raffi Krikorian wrote:
> > >> > all in all - i hope a lot of you are coming to chirp, as i would
> > >> > absolutely
> > >> > happy to have this conversation in person over some beers :P
>
> > >> Black coffee for me, decaf if we're doing this at the "hack session /
> > >> unconference" ;-)
>
> > >> --
> > >> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> > >> borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky
>
> > >> "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." ~ Paul
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