Yes......when someone mentions a BS degree -- Bachelor in Science is not what first comes to mind or what I would typically associate with the letters BS.... :-D
School of hard knocks is best. I have been told by professional documentation writers that my documentation is the best they've ever seen, in fact, they still use one of my docs as the training doc for the rest of the dept! I had a teacher that had gotten his **Master's** at UCLA and this poor guy could not talk in English. He only lasted two semesters at Pierce College as a teacher. My class started out with over 30 students, and in the end there were only 5 that didn't drop out - including me. He was brilliant as far as his knowledge of advanced data base design, but was just practically a robot when it came to personalizing with the students, or being able to provide "in other words" explanations to the text in the book. Credentials do not a man, or woman make! In the past when I was choosing who to hire, I would never put down a minimum degree because I wanted to personally talk with people and find out who 'connected' with me on a personal as well as a professional basis. There were several times I choose degree-less people that worked out SO WELL with the rest of the company that I could not imagine what I would have done without their wit, wisdom and enthusiasm which you just CAN'T get from a school. Now......if my client's TCP/IP connection would just come up, I could actually get something done today instead of just waxing poetic! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniVerse/U2) On the other hand, in a job like the one advertised, a *TECHNICAL TEST* is the best true representation of one's abilities. A BS degree does not prove that you have the knowledge and skills to do the job. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen B Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniVerse/U2) The main reason is most companies can't skill-test their employees to know if they can mentally perform the job they're applying for. The piece of paper says "I've been there at one point and I didn't crack up.". It also says "I spent $20,000 and passed enough fluffy tests to prove that I have enough ambition and personal drive to stay in the job for more than a week." Unfortunately, none of those points regarding degrees are a true test of a person's personality, skill level, or maturity. The good thing is, most large corporations will pay 80-100% of classes you pass with a high/A score. You can get your degree for free now-a-days, while learning real-life stuff that improves your job performance and also helps you pass your classes easier. One of these days I'll finish that last brain-purging semester of my BSEE.... One of these days. Glen http://picksource.com > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston > (PICK/UniVerse/U2) > > > >From a logic standpoint it does not matter. BUT...many companies like to > stress the statistics regarding their staff i.e. x amount of > employees hold > a BS x amount hold a graduate level degree. Of course by stressing this > those companies hell bent on a piece of paper may be missing out on far > better qualified candidates. The trenches teach a helluva lot more than > what you can learn in the classroom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:41 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston > (PICK/UniVerse/U2) > > > I always wonder why people insist on a degree. Surely by the time you've > got the experience to do a job like this the fact of whether you've got > a degree or not is pretty irrelevant. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Oifer, > Technical Futures, Inc. > Sent: 07 September 2004 16:34 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston > (PICK/UniVerse/U2) > > One of my clients, a leading software development company based in the > Boston area, > has an opening for a senior UniVerse/U2/Pick Technical Product Manager. > The company > is an established and profitable software product development company. > They are in the > process of establishing a UniVerse environment and are looking for a > senior technical > product manager to help them in the process. > > We are specifically searching for an individual that has very strong > UniVerse or U2 or > PICK experiences in a product management role. > > BS Degree required > U.S. Citizen or Permanent Residency required > > This is permanent, full-time position based in Boston; the company will > assist > with relocation expenses. > > Very competitive salary package plus bonus plus full benefits. > > Please EMAIL your resume as a WORD attachment to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your resume will remain strictly confidential, and will not be disclosed > > to anyone without > your prior approval. > > > Ben Oifer > Technical Futures, Inc. > 18 Washington Street, #205 > Canton, MA 02021 > Phone: (781) 793-9292 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > The information contained in this email is strictly confidential > and for the > use of the addressee only, unless otherwise indicated. 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