Dear Howard

VMark was the company that developed the UniVerse Data Base product for
which I have had much to do with for many years.

VMark acquired Unidata and renamed itself to Ardent Software. Ardent was
purchased by Informix and Informix was purchased by IBM.

IBM now sell and support UniVerse.

Now on another point. You say your boss may not want to spend good money
keeping old data alive. Well it seems to me that if this old data is
still useful and necessary then it must surely be considered current and
active data. The fact that it resided in an old application is besides
the point.

I suggest purchasing the minimum UniVerse licences possible as this data
probably only needs one or two uses accessing it at any point in time
and this would keep the cost to a minimum.

Hope this suggestion is useful.

Cheers

Trevor Ockenden
Open Systems Professionals
Sydney Australia
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To all,

I posted to the Chatter forum but was advise that the mail list would
have
wider audience for my question. My original post. In a nutshell, we know
nothing about UniVerse, but need to keep the data and move them to a
newer
server, Unix or otherwise.

Our plan is to convert the data into a mainstream DBMS, e.g. SQL Server,
DB2, etc. But further research after my original post indicates that it
will
be very involved. Since we don't know how the data is organised in the
DB,
we have to assume for the worst case. I'm afraid multivalues and
subvalues
will trip us up. Updating to a new version of UniVerse is probably going
to
solve the problem, but I doubt the manager would have the appetite to
spend
good money just to be able to read the very old data.

Please read the original post for details,. Again, any help is much
appreciated.

Sincerely,
Howard Wong
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We have a very old Unix server that has to be decommissioned. On it is
an
application that has long since been migrated to a newer app and UNIX
platform. This old app is kept around for reference, and is not being
actively updated.

We have to replace the old Unix box, so the old app has to migrate too.
Trouble is the app uses a database called VMark, which no one around
here
knows anything about.

I did some research on the Net and it seems that VMark was a company
name,
and its database product was UniVerse. Further searches brought me to
this
site.

Am I on the right track? Can someone tell me if:
1) My understanding of VMark (a vendor) and UniVerse (the DBMS) correct?
2) If (1) is good, then is the IBM UniVerse DB the successor of the
VMark
UniVerse DB?
3) If (2) is correct, then is there any tool or utilities that can
either
(a) extract the structure and content of the database and perhaps
migrate
them to another DBMS (Unix or Windows), or (b) let us understand the
structure and content of the DB?

Any help is much appreciated. Please feel free to email me.

Sincerely,
Howard
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