fyi, ECMAscript is pretty much what most people call java script. ECMA is a
standards organization and they came out with a standard for browser
scripting. Since any java programmer will tell you about the nausea she
feels every time she hears the "java" name in java script, ECMAscript might
be a better thing to call it. Now if only anyone ever implemented and stuck
to the standard.......

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [U2] MvInternet


This is not correct.  First please put [AD] in your messages if you're
trying to sell us on your product, otherwise it makes it sounds like you're
impartial, which you're not.

To use MvInternet, the only thing you need to know about is HTML.  I have
used it and I know nothing about CGI, XML or ECMAscript (i've never heard of
this last one).  And you only *need* to know the barest information about
HTML to use it.

Will Johnson
Fast Forward Technologies
This is not an ad, I am not connected to any Web connectivity provider.


-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond DeGennaro II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; Mike Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:51:02 -0500
Subject: RE: [U2] MvInternet


At 10:48 -0400 2005/04/14, Mike Randall wrote:
>Trying my best to be impartial and simple, I think there are 3 categories
>of web connectivity products for U2.

I don't want to open up a whole can of worms, so I'll just comment on a few
points.

mvInternet is a bare connection. You have to parse your own input data,
maintain your own state and generate everything from the Content-type header
to the final HTML/XML tag. So it's not 100% a roll-your-own soltion, but you
do need to know enough about HTTP, CGI, HTML/XML and ECMAScript to generate
your pages.

I have yet to run into something that I cannot do with Web Wizard. There
have been some tasks I've not been able to do with pure API calls, but you
can very easily work directly with HTML and even mix API calls with raw
HTML.

Regarding integration, as long as the other tools follow the HTTP/CGI
standards, Web Wizard works with them. We have customers using Perl, PHP,
Cold Fusion, Java, JBoss and even DataTel's WebAdvisor to interface with Web
Wizard programs. At the OS level, it's trivial to make calls to LDAP,
post/fetch data to remote servers (even using private keys), generate PDF
and RTF files, etc..

Finally, we've not encountered any real scalability problems either and we
have universities that run their online registration through Web Wizard and
that's one of the biggest click-fests I can think of. The only times we've
come close scalability problems have been when the database server is
already running at nearly it's maximum capacity (CPU load, number of
licenses, etc.) and any tool would have encountered the same limitations.

Ray
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