I was wondering what the "real" language was.  ABAP is like a cruel joke....

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 08:28
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   What!  Can this be true!  The secret to the success of the SAP programs
is
   the COmon Business Oriented Langugae of the 1960's!
    Is this why they call their users group SAPS?
   Will
   Ross Ferris wrote:

Ahhh - you want to get to the REAL programming language, then you will
have to access the COBOL submerged in the bowels of ABAP !

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage > Better by Design!

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Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 2:13 AM
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Subject: RE: [U2] List of MV Database Experts

As someone who bought a copy of ABAP/4 programming for the SAP system
just
to see what it was all about, I can answer a emphatic NO!  It's the
worst
thing I've ever seen in my life.  They may be able to make more money,
but
this is NOT programming as you and I know it.

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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 08:07
To: [email protected]
Subject: [U2] List of MV Database Experts

  Is there a list of MV experts reachable via the Internet?
  I am thinking that such list would give name or company name and
contact
  information along with number of years with MV and perhaps flavors

as

well
  as applications.  This would provide an on-line source for help,
especially
  in geographical areas where that help is sparse.
  If the number of MV users in rising as indicated in some of the
messages
on
  this list, we might all gain new business.  If the reverse is true,
then
we
  can see that it is time to jump ship and learn SAP (Are the Germans
winning
  the software wars?).
  Such  a  list  of  course  raises the fear that employers will see
the
  competition between us and try to drive down consulting fees and
wages
(can
  they get any lower?).  However, I think that the difficulties
managing
  off-shore programming and poor quality may have taught some of the
employers
  a bitter lesson as to what "cheap" really means.   Of course there
will
  always be those whose attitude is similar to the man with a brain
tumor
who
  found a "certified" surgeon who would remove it for $29.95/hour
including
  travel time.
  Comments are invited directly and I will report them to all
  Patrick "Will" Williams

    Patrick J. Williams, President
    AMERICAN COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC.
    www.americancomputertechnics.com
    Raleigh, NC
    919 567-0042
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