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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Merrall
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [U2] Hardware upgrade
> 
> Bill said...
> 
> 
> > Glenn is right.  I like disk mirroring.  I have seen big problems with
> > raid-5.  When one of the Raid-5 disks dies, the whole RAID set is
> > worthless
> > as all of the data on the disks becomes invisible.
> >
> 
> Hmmmm - the whole RAID 5 set is worthless when one disk dies?  Isn't the
> whole point of a raid 5 stripe that one disk can die and the set will
> continue just fine albeit with zero redundancy?
> 

  Not worthless, just really slow due to increased reads to obtain data from
a single partial parity set.


> >From the wikipedia page on RAID (hopefully more accurate than the page on
> Jimmy Wales' girlfriend).
> 
> Distributed parity requires all but one drive to be present to operate;
> drive failure requires replacement, but the array is not destroyed by a
> single drive failure.
> 
> 'nuff said.
> 
> Glen said...
> 
> >
> >  Why did you choose RAID5? RAID10 offers the redundancy you want from
> > RAID5,
> > but it won't grind to a snails pace when one of the drives fail. It
> > requires
> > more drives, but it gives more performance and reliability over RAID5.
> >
> >
> YMMV on this one.  I agree RAID 1+0 is better but the last couple of drive
> failures I have experienced in a RAID 5 set have not had any noticeable
> impact.  In fact the raid 5 set has held good performance while providing
> disk I/O and allowing the hot spare to bind into the set.  Possibly a
> slight
> drop-off but definitely not snail's pace.
> 

 The few RAID5 arrays I've run have been on 3Ware write caching controllers
and the only performance degradation from a dead drive wasn't extremely
noticeable. But, then again it happened on a randomly used backup file
server. A background rebuild didn't make that much of a difference, but then
again it wasn't a live database server either. When in doubt, and 24/7
performance is critical, I always use RAID10. I'm not saying RAID5 is a
horrid and worthless RAID level. It's just my opinion that RAID10 is better
in every aspect, even though an extra spindle or two is needed.

> However this is on an EMC San providing storage to RHEL servers so there
> is
> some serious caching going on there, although, IIRC the SAN will
> automatically disable write caching for an array with a failed disk.  No
> idea what would happen with a raid-5 stripe in the built in scsi
> controllers
> in an HP DL though.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adrian
> Auckland, NZ

Glen B
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