All I could figure was that he was referring to the link to his blog,
but I don't think it is fair to say that a consultant giving out free
information is an advertisement, even if it surely should be a part of
a consultant's overall marketing strategy, I suspect. I am no longer a
consultant, but I'll provide a link to my blog here too to see if it
is considered advertising when not coming from a consultant.

My most recent entry is potentially relevant to this thread as it is
entitled "OO for Oldsters" at http://snupnow.wordpress.com/

Advertising or not? Yes, it "advertises" my blog, but I'm OK if only 5
people read it right now. I don't want anyone to read it if it would
not brighten their day by doing so. So, I would think that both Tony's
and my links to our respective blogs (along with any Brian might send
out -- are there others on this list with blogs?) would be just fine.
If not, I will stick to the u2-community (and also keep postings of
blog entries few and far between since you can subscribe to it, after
all), which is where I originally posted the above link.  cheers!
--dawn

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Symeon Breen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Where ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Address
> Sent: 19 February 2009 21:51
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL)
>
> Advertisement below.
>
> --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Tony G <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Tony G <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL)
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:55 PM
>
> Don Verhagen wrote
>> I have accepted an Application Development management
>> position with a company here in the Philadelphia area.
>> However, they are not a U2 shop.  I view this
>> opportunity as a chance to build my skills in and
>> around the .NET platform and evaluate the use MSSQL in
>> a true business application that I myself have built
>> on a U2 platform in a previous time.
>>
>> While this doesn't exclusively rule out U2 in the
>> future, for now, I'll be in SQL-land.
>
> Don - good luck to you.
>
> I expect you will find a couple clear differences and it would be
> nice if you could come back and share the experience with us
> after you've been at it a while:
>
> In the rest of the world it's much easier to simply plug a
> relational database into a project and make use of it through
> code.  Tables as easily visible in trees in popular IDEs.
> Schemas easily become classes, and stored procedures become
> methods in a manner which is very elegant and compelling.  I've
> tried to introduce MV developers to this luxury but so far there
> has been little interest:
> nospamNebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/11/mvcodegen2.html
>
> Yes, it's easy to get access to those relational table features
> but actually defining them on the front-end and maintaining them
> can be a pain.  For data there is usually a need to normalize
> data, which is a constant bump in the road for those of us who
> enjoy multivalues and delimited fields.  Of course data typing is
> an ongoing concern but personally I find strong data types to be
> helpful.  And stored procedures can be a real pain.  With SQL
> Server you at least now have the option to define SProcs with
> "real" code rather than as a stream of queries.  A common code
> language is nice but the equivalent structure for us would be to
> write entire applications with code in data dictionaries or
> executed as triggers.  So the code itself is better to work with
> but the location and flow of code is very different than our MV
> experience.
>
> I think you'll find that working in a non-MV shop you'll find a
> lot of things easier and less thinking from "inside the box" -
> but you'll probably also find yourself longing for those other
> things that you know are easier in MV.  :)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tony Gravagno
> Nebula Research and Development
> TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com
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