I missed the "not" in "is not at all fleshed out" On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Dawn Wolthuis <[email protected]>wrote:
> Hi Shawn -- > You can see Curt Monash's response to my comment on this page > > http://www.dbms2.com/2010/08/18/nosql-hvsp-adoption/ > > <http://www.dbms2.com/2010/08/18/nosql-hvsp-adoption/>His rationale is at > all fleshed out, as you can see. > > As for the definition, this is really a "marketing term" more than a > technical one. Even if it has a technical meaning in the mind of some, it > would also be spun by marketing folks. Notice how at varying times > "relational database" has been used by MV folks to market their wares. > Everything that doesn't have SQL and many solutions that do can be spun as > NoSQL now. > > If we could come up with a NoSQL plus SQL "multi-projection" (that has no > ring to it) database adjective that would include both our space and the > broader not-exactly-rdbms world, that would be cool. I was happy with NoSQL, > but sorry that InterSystems feels they cannot use it. I suspect (but do not > know) that they are in the best financial position of any MV vendor, and > their marketing counts more than that of some of the other players, so I was > hoping they might play in this particular sandbox, but alas... we need a > different name for a movement (those are not that easy to start, I'm > thinkin'). It might need that NoSQL in it now to get buzz, so maybe there is > a way to write that so it doesn't only diss SQL? > > Multi-access > NoYesSQL > YesNoSQL > SQLSequel (I checked and this domain is taken) > SQLAndOtherProjections > YouCanAccessDataViaSQLOrWithoutSQL > AccessChoice > > I decided the best of these was YesNoSQL, so on a whim I just acquired > yesnosql.com. If anyone wants yesnosql.org or .net, act fast because they > are still available -- hey, we could start a sub-wave of the nosql wave, > maybe, perhaps? cheers! --dawn > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Shawn Hayes <[email protected]>wrote: > >> You said, "Some industry insiders are trying to claim that the old >> databases >> cannot fit under that heading". One of the things that I am having >> trouble with >> is the definition. There seems to be many definitions and criteria for >> what >> "NoSQL" means and many of them are ambiguous at best. Bottom line, NoSQL >> touts >> faster access to data, which has been what the MV community has been >> saying for >> years. ACID guarantees seem to be the biggest hurdle I have seen so far. >> >> Do you know WHY they are saying that U2 cannot fit the ambiguous NoSQL >> definition? >> PS – I have been following Cache Intersystem for a while and (IMO) they >> are at >> the leading edge of being able to apply as many of the benefits that NoSQL >> is >> touting… >> 'We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, >> when >> all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.' >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Dawn Wolthuis <[email protected]> >> To: U2 Users List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 8:35:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [U2] NoSQL >> >> I made a passionate pitch to a few folks in a meeting at Spectrum this >> year >> that we start marketing our niche that way. It wasn't met with disdain, >> but >> also not with a lot of interest, it seemed. >> >> The nosql.com and .org domains are held by an MV person since a few of us >> coined the term in 2006 or so (before others coined it, although there is >> an >> outside chance they saw the No SQL symbol in my 2006 blog, read by more >> non-MV folks than I expected, about 20,000 unique visitors). Now some >> industry insiders are trying to claim that the old databases cannot fit >> under that heading, but I sure think we can. We should get our noses in >> there, in my opinion. I suspect some are doing that, but not yet in a big >> enough way to be visible. >> >> Check out this paper that "mumps folks" did at >> >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.mgateway.com/docs/universalNoSQL.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGv19S_1lFurM49IDmfErFjDu1mfQ >> . >> >> We pickies might be well-served to do likewise. I suggested quite a >> while >> ago to InterSystems (and again more recently) that they wave the NoSQL >> banner, but they have such a fantastic and fast SQL product (the best in >> the >> MV space, but also great in the relational space) that they want to tout >> that. Their MV Query language is far faster than most because it is built >> on >> top of THEIR SQL implementation, a far cry from typical SQL performance. >> >> There needs to be a NotJustSQL designation that is clearer, I suspect. >> >> cheers! --dawn >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Shawn Hayes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Everything I have read about the NoSQL movement in the past year has met >> > the >> > requirements of U2. Depending on who you are talking to, NoSQL means >> "Not >> > Only >> > SQL" or "NO" SQL. One of the advantages of U2 is that we meet both >> these >> > definitions. Has anyone been marketing themselves as a NoSQL expert? >> If >> > this >> > isn't just the latest "fad", this could be a huge boost for U2 >> > supporters... >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > 'We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of >> life, >> > when >> > all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic >> about.' >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > U2-Users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dawn M. Wolthuis >> >> Take and give some delight today >> _______________________________________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > > > > -- > Dawn M. Wolthuis > > Take and give some delight today > -- Dawn M. 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