I dont' quite follow that.
Are you stating that if there is no explicit READU that both processes will 
complete without the deadlock deamon?
But if there is explicit READUs in both processes, that one of them will fail 
in 20 minutes?




-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Stevenson <[email protected]>
To: U2 Users List <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU EVERY's "waiters" when there are writes w/o 
explicit readu.


On 10/24/2011 4:11 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote:
 --- [snip] ---
 I have not yet explored what the deadlock daemon does.
Deadlock daemon ignores these WRITEs w/o explicit locking before hand.
 ran these 2 pgms simultaneously so that they both tried to lock or 
rite the lock that the other held.
an with lines 6/7 variously commented out or left in.
     W12                                   W21
01: CRT TIMEDATE(), 'W12'               | CRT TIMEDATE(), 'W21'
2: OPEN 'CDSTMP' TO F ELSE STOP        | OPEN 'CDSTMP' TO F ELSE STOP
3: READU REC1 FROM F, 'W1' ELSE NULL   | READU REC2 FROM F, 'W2' ELSE NULL
4: INPUT DUM                           | INPUT DUM
5: CRT TIMEDATE():'...':               | CRT TIMEDATE():'...':
6: *** READU REC2 FROM F, W2 ELSE NULL | READU REC1 FROM F, 'W1' ELSE NULL
7: WRITE TIME() TO F, 'W2'             | WRITE TIME() TO F, 'W1'
8: CRT TIMEDATE()                      | CRT TIMEDATE()

hey invariably entered a deadly embrace, both processes waiting on the 
ther, but the deadlock daemon ignored it if there is no explicit readu.
Instead one of them aborted with a write failure in 20 minutes (the 
efault, but configurable action), then the other then continued happily.

 hope no one but I ever cares about this.
Moral of the story:
    Explicitly lock before you update.
cds

n 10/24/2011 4:11 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote:
 UV 10.2.10 on Windows is behaving differently from what I recall.
 Are my expectations out of line?

 Suppose Session A holds a readu lock; and Session B attempts a WRITE 
 to same record withOUT!!! 1st explicitly getting the readu lock.
 Session B waits for Session A to release the lock before writing the 
 record.

 While Session B is waiting,  does it show up as a "waiter" in 
 LIST.READU EVERY?
 I expected so,  but it doesn't.


 Session A                       Session B
 _____________________________   ___________________
 1A. ED VOC DUMMY
    (this sets the readu lock.)

 2A. (stay in editor)            2B. run this:
                                     01:    OPEN 'VOC' TO F ELSE STOPM 
 'nope'
                                     02: ***READU REC FROM F, 'DUMMY' 
 ELSE NULL
                                     03:    WRITE '' TO F, 'DUMMY'

 3A. Within ED:
     XEQ LIST.READU EVERY


 If I UN-comment line 2, LIST.READU EVERY shows something like this:

     Active Read Waiters:      Owner   Waiter
     Device....  Inode....     Userno  Userno
     746117947    232860913      6116    3396


 But when I comment out line 2, LIST.READU is silent.
 I have not yet explored what the deadlock daemon does.

 TIA,
 cds


 P.S. Yes, yes, "Bad Form", "Legacy Software", 20 min wait is 
 configurable, . . . we can talk later.

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