Same here -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark Sent: 19 February 2012 00:43 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools - dictionaries
honestly I don't do a lot of dictionary maintenance. I have each attribute defined, and translates to define inter-file associations, but If I need a different width/format/heading or unique expression for a query I use the FMT/CONV/EVAL keywords and create them on the fly. On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Boydell, Stuart wrote: > Quick pop quiz. How do people build and maintain dictionaries? > > I have used Doug's XLr8 tool, SB+ and ED. > I haven't found one that allows the use of standard revision control systems (meaning anything appearing in Wikipedia's list of revision control systems) out of the box, though Doug's may get there. (interested too, who does use SCM (including SJ+) for their dicts and file creation scripts and other "admin" artifacts? > > Of the three I like using the Xlr8/Eclipse GUI and grid makes for (IMHO) clean, consistent dicts and very easy to look at as opposed to LIST.DICT which in it's original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of the environment. Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen. > > Stuart. > ________________________________ > From: Symeon Breen > Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15 > To: 'U2 Users List' > Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want > telnet-based tools > > I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or > ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. > > Personally I know a lot of programmers in multiple disciplines - > nearly all of them have eclipse installed, not one of them uses it as > an ide. There are so many much much better environments for java or > .net, or php etc. The BDT is eclipse based and that is a throwback to > the IBM days. Please people look beyond eclipse there is a much bigger wider (and easier) world out there. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch > Sent: 18 February 2012 02:48 > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want > telnet-based tools > > Whether we are talking about Telnet that uses port 23 or UniObjects > that uses or 31438 or HTTP that uses 80, it not the port that is the problem. > It is not the way packets are transported or what overhead each > different protocol has. The fact remains for me it is the presentation. > > Why do you think the new Metro interface from Microsoft is used "...in > order to create a unified and distinctive look across it consumer > product and services." It is the presentation that catches our eye. > > When you are programming with the Telnet interface screen running > behind whatever you are using for an editor, then you will catch > someone's eye but not in good way. You can couch it with this runs > faster, or you are more productive, or it's simple to use: it does not > really matter. They have seen that editor does not that elegance. > > When I fire up Eclipse they notice I have a real workbench with menu > bars, tool bars, different perspectives, views, and status bars. My > screen looks like a real editor because it is a real editor that Java > developers, PHP developer, C developers, C++ developers, and now U2 > programmers use. I have built in Search. I have built in Version > control. I have built in the ability to have two different accounts > open. I have the ability see my variables and internal subroutines. > I can close those subroutines by click on the minus and opening up > with a plus. I can double click on a variable and see on the ruler bar where it is used throughout the program. > > The least understood feature I cannot live without anymore is > continuous compile. I no longer wait to compile my program to see > what typos I make, Universe and Unidata compiler are telling me while I type. > If fail to assign a value to a variable, I know as I'm typing. This > alone is worth the price of admission. > > That perception is what I've been preaching about for years. It can > impact you as the developer or it can impact the entire organization. > > Regards, > Doug > www.u2logic.com/tools.html<http://www.u2logic.com/tools.html> > "XLr8Editor for Universe and Unidata" > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: > 02/17/12 > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ----- No virus found in this message. 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