Surely Robert you know that courts understand that wording can be ambiguous.
If you really think some court is going to tell you you need 2 million 
licenses.... I think you're trying to make a case out of tissue


 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Houben <robert.hou...@fwic.net>
To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2012 7:35 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud


As usual this group is a wealth of information.  I think the "talk to Rocket" 
is 
the most useful thing.  Our OLE DB driver uses Microsofts OLE DB Resource 
Pooling (built into Windows) to pool.  Our other products provide built-in 
pooling. We've always told our U2 customers that they need to get connection 
pooling licenses.  The wording of the license agreements suggests that whoever 
wrote it did not understand how most applications use connection pooling.  I 
was 
curious if this had been cleared up.  Unfortunately, if anything goes wrong, 
unless you have something written to refer to, the actual wording of the 
license 
will be used by the courts.

Thank you,

Robert Houben
IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing Architecture
Chief Technology Officer
FusionWare Integration Corp.
p: 604-777-4254 x158
f: 604-608-5544
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-----Original Message-----
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] 
On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: June-04-12 1:33 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud

I think that there is quite a bit of confusion on different terms.

Firstly there is no problem in developing and hosting web based applications 
using U2, many of the successful U2 applications today are web based.  But 
since 
U2 is licensed per user what you can't do is simply have a small license that 
connection pools - in other words runs a few processes that listen for work 
from 
a large user base and services them.

Instead if you connection pool using Rocket's or your own technology then you 
need to buy connection pooling licenses.  Whilst this pricing model is 
different 
to Oracle and Microsoft it is also often less expensive, it all depends on the 
configuration of the system being implemented.

But that's different from SaaS, connection pooling is about a technical 
architecture whilst SaaS is really a pricing model.  You can adopt a SaaS 
pricing model on an in house application just as you can adopt a conventional 
user licensing model on an application that is hosted/in the cloud.

If you are implementing a true SaaS pricing model, so the customers pay per 
transaction or per some other metric, and you want to pay for your U2 licenses 
on the same metric then you need to talk to Rocket or your distributor if you 
are outside the US.  It is almost impossible to have an 'off the shelf' pricing 
model for this environment because the metrics you use and the software you 
need 
to back it up will vary, particularly if the demand is going to be seasonal.  
But talk about it with whoever you buy from.

George Land
APT Solutions Ltd
U2 UK Distributor



On 03/06/2012 07:22, "Robert Houben" <robert.hou...@fwic.net> wrote:

> I should clarify my question.  What is the legality behind licensing a
> SaaS (or BPaaS) offering with a U2 system behind it?
>
> I believe at one point there were terms of use in the user license
> that made a SaaS implementation potentially impractical.
>
> BTW, believe it or not, providing Microsoft products in a SaaS
> environment is a violation of their license agreement, unless you get
> a special variant of their licenses (these raise the price
> significantly).  This is little known, and to date Microsoft has not
> been aggressive in enforcing it, but that apparently might be about to change.
>
> U2, to my knowledge requires a special type of network license if you
> are going to provide pooled connections of any sort (e.g. through a
> web server.) The special terms to look up seem to be "Connection
> Pooling" and "Concurrent User".  My initial read of the section
> describing these is that if I have potentially 2 million different
> users who may use my service through web-based connection pooling
> through the term of the license, (even if not concurrently), I must
> have licenses enough (2 million of them) to support this.  I copy the
> block of text at the bottom of this message from a copy of the license
> agreement that I have (possibly out of date - that's part of the question).  
Their definition of Concurrent seems a bit odd...
>
> (BTW, I agree: I would *never* use an unprotected telnet session over
> the internet.  I would be inclined to have the U2 server hiding behind
> a good solid commercial grade web server.)
>
> "Connection Pooling (CP): Licensee is not authorized to enable or
> engage in Connection Pooling unless Licensee is able to count and
> acquire required Concurrent Session or Concurrent User entitlements
> covering all unique individuals or single, unique instances of a
> software application that might process transactions using the
> Program. CP session entitlements [ which would cover use by any and
> all unique individuals or unique single instances of software programs
> over a single logical open, persistent connection ] are optionally
> available for purchase for use with the Workgroup Edition, but are
> limited to a maximum of two (2) CP sessions. Enterprise Edition is
> offered with two (2) initial Rocket CP sessions with optional additional CP 
session entitlements available for purchase."
>
> "... that might process transactions..." This would effectively blow
> any SaaS or BPaaS option out of the water for a U2 based application.
> I may be misunderstanding the above, or there may be a different
> license available somewhere, hence my question.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Robert Houben
> IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing
> Architecture Chief Technology Officer FusionWare Integration Corp.
> p: 604-777-4254 x158
> f: 604-608-5544
> http://www.fwic.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King
> Sent: June-02-12 4:04 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud
>
> Just so I'm clear... what exactly would be different about such a license?
>  Seems to me the typical licensing terms would work just fine, as long
> as you have enough seats to handle the traffic.  I would, however, be
> concerned about opening up the telnet port on a cloud architecture.
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Robert Houben <robert.hou...@fwic.net>wrote:
>
>> Does Rocket license Universe or Unidata for use in the cloud?
>>
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