Keith, I'm expensive, true :) -- but PRC isn't that expensive! (WARNING: Sales pitch mode:on)
When you are considering this age-old build-or-buy scenario, remember the age-old arguments. What you build will be a first-shot, rel 1.0 of a solution. It will take you time to figure out what and how. You will most likely take a few wrong turns and I can promise you that (switching to a golf analogy) there are sandtraps on the way. Then you've got to maintain it -- forever. As versions change and needs change, the solution doesn't. Unless you stop what you're doing and go back to it. On the other hand -- PRC is 12 years old and has a brain-trust of literally hundreds. You can do things many different ways just by doing them different ways or by switching a few settings. Its finished, robust, polished ... I keep it current with new releases and with new trends and requirements. I read the journals, go to the conferences, compare with the other tools in the mainstream in all aspects of the solution: Problem reporting / project management tools and issues, change control, test management, deployment, audit/reporting ... all of it. And we're a "package deal", PRC and I. I've seen a lot of people try a lot of different things. I've got stories about what worked (what didn't) and why. I don't charge extra for my stories. ;) PRC's pricing scheme has not change at all, ever. We priced it as a utility in the beginning in 1993 and we've just kept the price the same -- even though the product has expanded considerably as has the satisfied customer base. It's still a bargain. :) And we're still having fun with it. (Sales pitch mode:off) Susan Message: 65 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:38:19 +1200 From: Jan Shaw and Keith Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: SB+ Information To: u2-users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, I've just started some consulting work at a site that has partly moved to SB+. I worked with System Builder some years ago and I was looking for information about SB+. I've got the documentation and Kevin King's book, and I've had a look at Malcolm Bull's site, but the on-line group (ISBUG.net) seems to be defunct. Is there a user group still active on-line or any other information? I'm looking for the sort of information that gives pointers and background, rather than straight documentation. For example, how does one stick a bunch of changes together and then migrate them from a test environment to a live one? It's a small site, so they can't afford a full-scale package like Susan's. I would like to set something up for them. Thanks, Keith Johnson "'tm'ing the post name space" ------------------------------ Message: 66 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:03:04 +0800 From: "Jim Garratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: SB+ Information To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Look at Google Groups One specifically for SB + Regards, Jim Garratt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Shaw and Keith Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "u2-users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: RE: SB+ Information > Hi, > > I've just started some consulting work at a site that has partly moved to > SB+. I worked with System Builder some years ago and I was looking for > information about SB+. I've got the documentation and Kevin King's book, > and I've had a look at Malcolm Bull's site, but the on-line group > (ISBUG.net) seems to be defunct. Is there a user group still active on-line > or any other information? I'm looking for the sort of information that > gives pointers and background, rather than straight documentation. > > For example, how does one stick a bunch of changes together and then migrate > them from a test environment to a live one? It's a small site, so they > can't afford a full-scale package like Susan's. I would like to set > something up for them. > > > Thanks, Keith Johnson "'tm'ing the post name space" > > -- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ------------------------------ Message: 67 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:10:58 -0500 From: "Susan Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: SB+ Information To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Shaw and Keith Johnson" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: RE: SB+ Information > ...I've had a look at Malcolm Bull's site, but the on-line group > (ISBUG.net) seems to be defunct. Is there a user group still active on-line > or any other information? I'm looking for the sort of information that > gives pointers and background, rather than straight documentation. > > For example, how does one stick a bunch of changes together and then migrate > them from a test environment to a live one? It's a small site, so they > can't afford a full-scale package like Susan's. I would like to set > something up for them. > > > Thanks, Keith Johnson "'tm'ing the post name space" > Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sbsolutions Susan Lynch -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
