I'd imagine a lot of times it's the choice between a $200 Rocket\ePMP and a $500 - $1k AF11\B11 (plus other costs). Extending that to $15k+ can be a bit much of an ask.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Portman" <ba...@baron.com> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber Varies somewhat on features and antennas. Last alfoplus2 quote I got for 2ft antennas, dual cores opened full modulation was about 19K. Yah, a LOT higher, but, in my view, when you get to the point where you NEED that much backhaul, you are probably COINING money (as we are). So, I don't necessarily go with the lowest initial cost anymore. I look at some other things as well, TCO, reliability, service (SIEA has been phenomenal there) etc. 14k extra amortized make only a few dollars a month difference on the bottom line and I sleep a whole lot better with carrier grade equipment in place. I realize my argument may not be convincing to everyone, that's what makes America great! (:) Still, the waste of a very, very precious resource seems almost unforgivable. JP On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:59:41 -0700, mike.lyon wrote > Whats the rough cost for one of those SiAE links? > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 09:56, J Portman < ba...@baron.com > wrote: > > > Yah, B11 is 50% (or less) as efficient as is possible. > > For real data throughput and spectral efficiency, you can't beat something > like SIAE AlfoPlus2 (4096) qam at 80MHZ) and can run XPIC so only using ONE > frequency pair to push well over a gig with sub-millisecond latency. Sure, > costs more, but YGWYPF. > > YMWDV, > JP > > On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:25:14 -0500, Adair Winter wrote > > And trashes the 11g spectrum. Put a real radio up > > > > On Apr 13, 2017 11:21 AM, "Tommy Adams" < tomm...@digitex.net > wrote: <blockquote> > > > > No experience with the AF11, but the B11 will give you every bit of 1 gig. > > We put one up 4 months ago, no rain fade and it really moved the data. > > > > -------------------------------- > > Tommy A. > > Digitex.com > > > > 817.558.6230 V > > 817.558.1204 F > > > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Tim-GM < t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com > > > wrote: > > > > <blockquote> > > > > Will have techs test at tower > > Thanks for feedback > > > > We plan on moving or adding 11ghz for this link 24ghz would be backup. > > Just not sure if we do ubnt, mimosa, or cambium for the 11ghz > > > > > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] > > On Behalf Of Mathew Howard > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:36 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > > > If you're running bandwidth tests from a MikroTik, I doubt that anything > > less than a CCR is going to be able to handle a 700Mbps TCP test. In my > > experience, if an AF24 is showing full capacity (770Mbps), it will do > > 700Mbps consistently. > > > > We have an inactive AF24 link (it was replaced with 11ghz because of rain > > fade issues, but we left the AF24 there for a spare), with a CCR1009 at one > > end and an RB1100AHx2 at the other end - running a receive test from the > > CCR, I consistently get 680-700Mbps, but the other direction it's very > > inconsistent but probably averages about 100Mbps (keep in mind these > > routers do have around 300Mbps of traffic going through the other link > > while this is running). > > > > > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on > > behalf of Shawn C. Peppers [ videodirectwispal...@gmail.com ] > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:04 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > Im not sure i get 700 mbps test across a few of mine either when running > > tcp. I do however hit 600+ at peak times. Like Adair stated, its likely > > either the routers just are not accurately handling the bandwidth test, you > > have errors on the ethernet link or some other variable. > > > > Shawn C. Peppers > > > > Video Direct > > > > 866-680-8433 Toll Free > > > > http://www.video-direct.tv > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Tommy Adams < tomm...@digitex.net > wrote: <blockquote> > > > > Your numbers are almost identical to one of our links. Pulling a TCP > > bandwidth test from a CCR1009 plugged in on each side we get 700 megs. We > > use the CCR1009 to bond two backhauls together for failover when it rains. > > Anyone telling you these things do not fail in the rain is crazy or lives > > in the dessert. > > > > If you have a Mikrotik router behind it, you can do a bandwidth test to > > btest.planetcoop.com user/pass: btest. This is s public testing server > > setup by a nice ISP in northern US. > > > > Tommy > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Tommy Adams > > Network Administrator > > Digitex.com > > > > 817.558.6230 V > > 817.558.1204 F > > > > > > > > From: < ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Tim-GM < > > t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com > > > Reply-To: Ubiquiti Users Group < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Date: Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:43 AM > > To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > > > UDP around 653meg > > > > But that has NO value. > > > > > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] > > On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:36 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > > > Must be something else messing with it. How are you bandwidth testing? Try > > a UDP test. > > > > Shawn C. Peppers > > > > Video Direct > > > > 866-680-8433 Toll Free > > > > http://www.video-direct.tv > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Tim-GM < t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com > > > wrote: <blockquote> > > > > <image001.png> > > > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] > > On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:16 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > > > What does the capacity show? > > > > Shawn C. Peppers > > > > Video Direct > > > > 866-680-8433 Toll Free > > > > http://www.video-direct.tv > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Tim-GM < t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com > > > wrote: <blockquote> > > > > Just noticed airlink at 33db says 500 > > At 38 db says 728 > > > > The airfiber maximum power is 33db > > > > Can this power be increased on the airfiber? > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] > > On Behalf Of Adair Winter > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:48 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > > > If the capacity graph says 760Mb, that's what he's got. and the only > > channel option is 100Mhz. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Adam Greene < maill...@webjogger.net > > > wrote: <blockquote> > > > > How much spectrum (channel width) did you allocate to the link? > > > > > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] > > On Behalf Of Nate Burke > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:26 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group < ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber > > > > Same here, with the AF24 line, always see full throughput. Is it possible > > the routers on the ends can't handle the throughput? Especially if they are > > generating the traffic for the Bandwidth test. > > > > On 4/13/2017 7:22 AM, Adair Winter wrote: <blockquote> > > > > we move 700+Mb easily over our air fibers. how are you testing? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Tim-GM < t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com > > > wrote: <blockquote> > > > > Installed our first AirFiber link 3.62 miles > > > > DB numbers 65-66 match the airlink model > > We have them set at full duplex > > All indications are a 764-759 meg link > > > > Yet our TCP-IP throughput is 300-330meg > > > > Any thoughts on why? > > > > The signal have solid colors for each chain on both sides > > > > What are your experiences > > > > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Adair Winter > > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > > C: 806.231.7180 > > http://www.amarillowireless.net > > Embedded CGI removed by webmail. https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc&export=download > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users </blockquote> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users </blockquote> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Adair Winter > > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > > C: 806.231.7180 > > http://www.amarillowireless.net > > Embedded CGI removed by webmail. https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc&export=download > > > > </blockquote> <blockquote> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users </blockquote> > > _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users </blockquote> <blockquote> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > </blockquote> > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > </blockquote> > > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > </blockquote> <blockquote> > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > </blockquote> Joe Portman Alamo Broadband Inc. www.alamobroadband.com _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
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