Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the B11 to make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a bunch of latency.
All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have already been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data over 11ghz for cheap and have the channels available, but technically superior to other 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a B11 anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full capacity. ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) Sure there is... as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or all Rx. B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync settings. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) not trying to be anal.... even in your statement there is a 'as long as'.... There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync. While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is unique (at least for the moment !) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ________________________________ From: "Mike Hammett" <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:50:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) As far as I know, any FDD radio can share frequencies with any other radio on the tower, regardless of owner or manufacturer. 16 QAM or 4096 QAM. As long as they're all Rx or all Tx and sufficient azimuth\elevation separation. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:46:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) I am confused.. your earlier explanation had a number of conditions implied before one can reuse the same channel ? unless I am miss-understanding... with Mimosa, you can have two radios back to back or next to each other, belonging to two different providers, and re-use the channel. Can we do that today with FDD ? or the other party is going to get their panties in tbe bunch because their radio can hear your radio ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:21:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > On 4/15/17 7:17 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> In case of Mimosa, you are actually getting something that has not existed >> before in the Licensed Radio world... >> Their radios don't care if they can hear each other.. and they will still >> operate, co-exist.... >> exactly how gps sync, channel reuse works in the TDD world... > > > > But I don't need TDD or GPS sync to point take a channel pair I'm using > in one direction and reuse it in a different direction, so I'm not clear > what has been improved. The argument is I can do something I can already > do, but with higher latency. > > ~Seth > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
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