Happy Easter to you Gabe and everyone else as well. :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "gerincon" <[email protected]> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:28:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > Happy Easter Faisal. > Gabriel E. Rincon > Mobius Internet, IT & Communications > 225'490-5600 > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:10 PM -0500, "Faisal Imtiaz" < > [email protected] > wrote: >> I love these kinds of conversations.... everyone get hunkered down to >> comparing >> the tech specs.. >> Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios.... >> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 >> becoming >> available in the market place, for our industry ? >> 1).. A new technical concepts introduced. >> 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the Licensed >> world challenged and broken >> 3)..A new price point established >> 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links >> 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES !!!!... you may not like it.. but some others >> cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own). >> Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never introduced ? >> Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring their >> absorbent >> product pricing down ? >> Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change.. >> :) >> Happy Easter Everyone ! >> Regards >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>> Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the >>> B11 to >>> make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a bunch of >>> latency. >>> All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a >>> real >>> FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have already >>> been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data over >>> 11ghz >>> for cheap and have the channels available, but technically superior to other >>> 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a B11 anywhere >>> that I >>> couldn't license enough channels to run it at full capacity. >>> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf >>> of >>> Mike Hammett [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM >>> To: Ubiquiti Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>> Sure there is... as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can >>> coexist >>> with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or all Rx. >>> B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync >>> settings. >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> The Brothers WISP >>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>> not trying to be anal.... even in your statement there is a 'as long as'.... >>> There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync. >>> While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is unique (at >>> least >>> for the moment !) >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:50:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>>> As far as I know, any FDD radio can share frequencies with any other radio >>>> on >>>> the tower, regardless of owner or manufacturer. 16 QAM or 4096 QAM. As >>>> long as >>>> they're all Rx or all Tx and sufficient azimuth\elevation separation. >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:46:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>>> I am confused.. your earlier explanation had a number of conditions implied >>>> before one can reuse the same channel ? unless I am miss-understanding... >>>> with Mimosa, you can have two radios back to back or next to each other, >>>> belonging to two different providers, and re-use the channel. >>>> Can we do that today with FDD ? or the other party is going to get their >>>> panties >>>> in tbe bunch because their radio can hear your radio ? >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Seth Mattinen" <[email protected]> >>>> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:21:12 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>>> > On 4/15/17 7:17 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>> >> In case of Mimosa, you are actually getting something that has not >>>> >> existed >>>> >> before in the Licensed Radio world... >>>> >> Their radios don't care if they can hear each other.. and they will >>>> >> still >>>> >> operate, co-exist.... >>>> >> exactly how gps sync, channel reuse works in the TDD world... >>>> > But I don't need TDD or GPS sync to point take a channel pair I'm using >>>> > in one direction and reuse it in a different direction, so I'm not clear >>>> > what has been improved. The argument is I can do something I can already >>>> > do, but with higher latency. >>>> > ~Seth >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
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