We had one AF-5x link where one chain dropped by 10 or 15db (I don't remember 
exacty... it was awhile ago), and changing the radios and pigtails on both ends 
of the link made no difference. We ended up fixing it by replacing one of the 
dishes.

My best guess was that the feedhorn itself had some water in it (this was 
probably one of our oldest Rocket dishes), but by the time I got it back to the 
shop and dissected it, everything was dry, so I never could prove it.

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From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 9:20 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x bad signal problems

This is what we did - new radios and jumpers on both sides.  It cleared up for 
a few days and at this point it looks like chain1 is ~10 db lower than chain0 
(which is back to the 60s).  We'll see what happens after a couple of days, 
it's passing way more bandwidth than what we need so it isn't necessary to get 
that last few bits.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
swap radios on both ends just to start ruling stuff out....

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Mitch 
<mi...@abetterwireless.com<mailto:mi...@abetterwireless.com>> wrote:

This is a similar issue we had with AF5U and never got fixed

UBNT still says it's thermal???


On 1/19/2018 11:03 PM, RickG wrote:
True. I'm now dealing with a bunch of my 900MHz towers doing the same thing :(

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Really weird that both pig tails have the exact same level of problems, though. 
 Both chains dropped from 60s to 80s to 95+ and the link obviously disappeared. 
 The signals reported on the AirOS interface, I mean.

Spectrum scan still shows -50 to nearby APs and -60 on the BH frequency.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM, RickG 
<rgunder...@gmail.com<mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've had a flurry of bad pigtails lately :(

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This came back up...exact same issue.  Definitely not ice today!

Spectrum scan sees upper and lower bands just fine.  Both sides see each other 
at -60ish.  It attempts to register and fail

Is there any possibility besides bad jumper/radio?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2018 2:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well I brought the power down to -60/61 to be nice!  Also higher modulation...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
sun must have melted the ice off, i have had some links with ice that get 
affected and some that didn't, very strange sometimes, just have high link 
margins is about the only thing you can do.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Right on the money.  Back up to 61 now.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2018 11:40 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well I thought exactly that at first but I do have radomes and another 
north/south link that has 0 change.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you have a backhaul covered in ice i can almost guarantee that the ice is 
causing your signal being down, seen this a couple winters ago on an AF5X link 
with 2 foot dishes, your pretty much screwed until the ice melts off..

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Had a wind/storm and everything come through, wind picked up at 4am and 4:30-5 
we went from 61 db to 70 and a bit later down to 80 db.  Everything is covered 
in ice.  BH is 12.5 miles north/south.

Have another BH 12.5 miles north/south (in line with the af5x) with no 
problems.  Ruled out thermal inversion or anything because of this.

Any ideas besides bad jumpers/water or the dish got moved?  It was only 25 mph 
winds, which admittedly is pretty faster for here, but just wanted to bounce 
ideas before climbing.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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