On Mon, 30 May 2011 12:53:32 -0700 Jonathan Marsden <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 05/30/2011 12:19 AM, Chris wrote: > > > What I think is going wrong is difference in jargon. When the Lubuntu > > devs/people asked for a roadmap is what the Accessibility people > > would see as an priority list. When the Lubuntu people have their > > priority list, then they can create their own roadmap. > > That sounds fine to me :) > > My current background assumption is that Lubuntu is "late to the > accessibility party", just as it is late to "officialness", and that the > other (already official) Ubuntu variants are, therefore, already > substantially further along this particular path than we currently are > in Lubuntu. > > So that we can better discover what needs to be done within Lubuntu, and > in what order, I would like to know, with some reasonable degree of > clarity and specificity: > > (A) What are the expectations of those seeking "adding accessibility" > to Lubuntu, and what is the relative priority of each such expectation? > > (B) How do these expectations compare to what is already implemented in > each of the other Ubuntu variants, and in Debian? > > (C) How do these expectations compare to what each of the other Ubuntu > variants plans to do in the current (Oneiric) development cycle? > > Links to current information on what Debian and each Ubuntu variant has > done, and plans to do, in this regard would therefore be useful. > > Lower priority, but still very useful, would be to also know: > > (D) How can we know when we have "got there" -- how can we verify that > Lubuntu (or LXDE, or an application within Lubuntu) has attained a > particular desired level or standard of accessibility? (I'm aware of > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ for web site accessibility -- what are the > application or OS or DE equivalents used in the Debian/Ubuntu community?). > > At this point, I *really* don't mind what anyone calls this > documentation (specifications, blueprints, roadmaps, priority lists, > other?). I also do not mind who created it (the Ubuntu accessibility > team, or development teams within each Ubuntu variant, or even sabdfl > himself!). My immediate concern is to determine whether such current > documentation actually exists at all, and if it does, preferably some > idea of its current level of acceptance or "officialness" (because great > documentation that everyone else is ignoring may be less helpful than > mediocre documentation that everyone else has already agreed to follow > and implement!). > > And, very fundamentally: if this documentation does exist, where can we > read it? Everything I have found so far seems either not actually a > priority list/roadmap, not really Ubuntu-specific, or old and out of > date. So perhaps my Google skills are lacking in this (accessibility) > domain, and I need a little more help finding the real thing. > > If these requests and questions are unreasonable, or expose a total > misunderstanding of the situation on my part, so be it, please enlighten > me further :) > > Perhaps the most useful thing I have found so far is > http://developer.gnome.org/accessibility-devel-guide/3.0/accessibility-devel-guide.html > -- which is GNOME documentation, not Debian or Ubuntu documentation, and > Lubuntu does not use GNOME. > > If, in the end, all of this boils down to "as a first major useful step, > please just add orca and espeak and their dependencies to the Lubuntu > CD"... that would be good to know :) > > Jonathan > Well, I can not speak for all other distributions (variants), but Xubuntu will not be adding much. A user is welcome to add orca if they want to. We do have Onboard Keyboard, but I am still fighting to get the menu entry added, since Ubuntu removes it from the debian version. Xubuntu does not have a current blueprint, either. We do not use them. Of course, expecting any person on the Ubuntu Accessibility Team to know where all the teams blueprints and roadmaps are is asking a lot! Please understand that each distribution is a stand-alone thing, not a group effort by Ubuntu. -- Charlie Kravetz Xubuntu Project Lead Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
