Hi, I think this thread can be closed now. It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point.
If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be preferable. Kind regards Rob Whyte On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > > I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > > The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > people reading your message understand that the accessibility > developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > > BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > > BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to > be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which > is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an > inference then that's great. > > On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was >> going to >> be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for >> Cannonical which >> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time >> anyone >> speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer >> the >> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: >> >> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? >> If not, >> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? >> >> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be >> inflammatory. I >> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country >> where such >> things are allowed. I was far more concerned with whether or not I >> should >> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not. You >> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan. I follow them on >> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have >> even >> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about >> Linux. So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can, >> please. >> >> Thank you. >> Alex M >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orca-list [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT >> >> Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to >> focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to >> provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available. >> This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the >> time. >> Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a >> statement >> or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies. >> >> On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in >>> the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone >>> know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all >>> disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu >>> 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's >>> wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our >>> ruffled feathers when 12.10 and >>> 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, >>> now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of >>> accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even >>> more in light of this development. Please see link below: >>> >>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alex M >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain at Gmail >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >> how to >> help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
