Hi, Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe?
Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week. Regards, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > I think this thread can be closed now. > It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. > > If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be > preferable. > > Kind regards > Rob Whyte > On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > > have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > > more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > > anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > > accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > > channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > > is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > > releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > > easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > > plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > > assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > > > > I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > > out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > > person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > > something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > > don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > > applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > > > > The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > > accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > > Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > > snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > > what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > > developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > > can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > > this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > > matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > > precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > > simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > > discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > > think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > > people reading your message understand that the accessibility > > developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > > honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > > defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > > from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > > > > BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > > was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > > attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > > participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > > not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > > > > BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to > > be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which > > is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an > > inference then that's great. > > > > On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > >> Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was > >> going to > >> be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for > >> Cannonical which > >> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time > >> anyone > >> speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer > >> the > >> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: > >> > >> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? > >> If not, > >> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? > >> > >> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be > >> inflammatory. I > >> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country > >> where such > >> things are allowed. I was far more concerned with whether or not I > >> should > >> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not. You > >> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan. I follow them on > >> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have > >> even > >> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about > >> Linux. So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can, > >> please. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> Alex M > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: orca-list [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> Christopher Chaltain > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM > >> To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List > >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT > >> > >> Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to > >> focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to > >> provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available. > >> This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the > >> time. > >> Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a > >> statement > >> or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies. > >> > >> On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > >>> Hi, all, > >>> > >>> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in > >>> the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone > >>> know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all > >>> disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu > >>> 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's > >>> wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our > >>> ruffled feathers when 12.10 and > >>> 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, > >>> now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of > >>> accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even > >>> more in light of this development. Please see link below: > >>> > >>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Alex M > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>> The manual is at > >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Christopher (CJ) > >> chaltain at Gmail > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >> how to > >> help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
