Michiel Sikma wrote:Just so this is clear: if anything I make is not accepted, then this is fine. It does, however, seem very awkward to me that the artist-in-chief specifically starts up the efforts to polish the Human GTK theme, then applauds efforts I exert in doing just that, only for it to be shot down in a random e-mail by someone who informs me that such a change is never going to make it in anyway in a very "by the way"-like attitude.Just my take - I didn't read Troy's mail as "by-the-way", it was just terse because we're all busy! In this case I don't think there was any intention to dismiss good work. I don't know where in the chain of orders this went wrong, but that doesn't seem like valid planning to me. At the very least, Troy could have attempted to explain it himself.This is a disadvantage of having some folks at conferences and others not, because a lot gets communicated in brief interactions. Troy might not have known that Frank did not know that I don't want to lightly change the Gtk theme in this round... either way, please don't take offense here. Good work will be incorporated, Troy was I think just trying to focus folks' attention on the areas where we've specifically opened up the floodgates. I quite like the reversion of the window dressing, to the more neutral colours.The current GTK theme was produced by Richard and Daniel, the authors of Clearlooks, working directly with me in London. Of course I'm happy to review updates to that but for the moment I will expect to sign off on those changes personally. That was not clear to Frank. As for the widgets, there are some wins and some losses. I do take it you have looked at the latest version, which can be found here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming?action="">Yes, this is what I've been looking at. It would be nice for the screenshots always to be alongside a shot of the current Dapper so it's easier to spot what's improved! It's too bad for me to hear that you prefer the old version. I'll work on the GTK to try and improve on the criticisms you've mentioned, despite thinking it's already much more consistent than the old version, especially since we have not reached the polish phase yet. Yes, there is room for improvement, but you will need to gate that past me personally, and I'm afraid I have very, very limited bandwidth for this. I'm travelling for a month now on business with very little reliable network comms for web surfing, just dumps of mail regularly. Please don't flood me or I'll just filter it :-). But if you can present clear ideas for improvement, with a picture of what we currently have and what tweaks you want to make, I will try to respond if I have time. In short, I think there is more productive work to be done on core theme (login, desktop, splash) and then extending that "look" to all the myriad places we "present" ubuntu, like the web site, the brochures, sample content etc. Mark |
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