Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 13.52 +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle ha scritto: > Hi folks! > > Because my modem-driver is broken (never play around with > startup-scripts;-)) I wasn't able to read the mails. > I'll do it later, because I'm sitting in an internet cafe and I'm a > little bit short in time. > > I'm sorry for my bad and short post. I'll post more later! > > I've looked into the xl_cheese-/clearlooks-engine and changed some > points. > I could go on like this fixing the points written before. > > At first, there was the problem that windows without a toolbar looked > ugly, because the color of the menubar was not the same as the windows > bg-color. > That's changed now: The menubar is colored like the background of the > window and the gradient of the toolbar is changed a little bit to fit > to that change... > > The first point is the "unity of the menubaritem and the menu itself". > I looked into the code of the eXperience-engine and hacked a little > bit in clearlooks. > That should work now to, even if the menu is placed higher than the > menubar (Then the menubaritem-widget is turned "upside down"). > Compiz/Emerald is still a problem... I'm the Clearlooks developer (yes Murrine too :P ), my friend Benzea is the Maintainer of Clearlooks, and he is the author of the eXperience engine :D So we will implement (he is the right guy to do this) this feature the day we get a sane way to do it, without the hackish way in eXperience. Another *huge* problem is that menuitems don't get shadows, so the whole menu will always look ugly, except an highly decentered shadow like in your sceenshot. (I'm using centered shadows, with 0 x-y offset, like a lot of huys... so this feature without shadow on menuitems will cause just glitches) > > Here's a little screenshot: > http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto1su9.png > Later I'll upload the engine, but I've to clean up the code before > (This was my first contact to C;-)). NO, please NO yet another engine. I was totally against the decision of xlcheese to publish his patch as another engine and I will against a similar idea. Many years ago was created a tool, called DIFF, do publish your patches in a clean and simple way. Just attach your patch for Clearlooks, Murrine or whatever. In a future, if the patch is sane and we agree (in the meaning it's not hackish and it will work with compiz/shadows), that thing could be part of Gnome. It's so useless to publish a fork with more than 95% of the same code. Yes, NODOKA (aka murrine with a different name and fixed hilight_ratio and other options) is an useless engine. And I will be laughing when I'll publish the next release which is faster, better looking, alpha-capable, with a *100 times better* structured code :) Just to notice its capabilities, Murrine's SVN in just 10 lines of code can emulate Nodoka engine, with the benefits of a faster but also more secure/stable code :) (just add style = NODOKA in your gtkrc) eheh
> > cheers stein cheers Cimi > > Am Mittwoch, den 05.03.2008, 12:13 +0100 schrieb Andrea Cimitan: > > Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 11.35 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: > > > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 16:22:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > > > You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and > > > > blame about those gtk-engines. > > > > > > the idea was not to simply rename anything. The gtkrc's we put in are > > > just for > > > testing and are in no way final. I never said I knew how to hack on gtkrc > > > files ;-) The notes I wrote below are just the reults of looking at the > > > clearlooks and murrine themes and trying to decide where each has a > > > weekness/strength in relation to ubuntulooks > > Before writing a Gtkrc, there must be at least *an idea* of what is the > > style of an engine. > > Clearlooks and Murrine are completely different, and they CAN'T have the > > same colors (as it seems from those screenshots). > > > > > > > A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are > > > > probably the weird themes I have seen in years :) > > > > Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way > > > > better than both clearlooks and murrine. > > > > > > So you are saying that ubuntulooks is better than both clearlooks and > > > murrine? > > > I do agree that writing something from scratch is the better option, but > > > I am > > > not a developer :D > > > > > No, ubuntulooks is absolutely the last engine, in terms of liking and > > stability, bugs, security. But with those weird gtkrcs, it looks better. > > Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was > > rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and > > a lot of things directly in the gtkrc. > > Also adding custom widgets should be much more simpler. > > > > I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu. > > > > > > No worries, they probably won't be...at least not in this form. > > > > > > > If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with > > > > shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses > > > > colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED] > > > > is used for the prelight, for example...). > > > > > > This is something very interesting to me but way out of my scope. I would > > > need > > > to understand what is "good" and what is "bad" in gtkrc as I am used to > > > just > > > editing the thing until it looks like I want it to. > > Clearlooks loves bg[selected] with saturation < 45/100 ad value < > > 86/100. > > Murrine should look great with a lot of colorschemes (because of the > > glossiness), but you must take a look at the contrast (see the horrible > > scrollbar in Human murrine) > > > > > > > If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more > > > > adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones. > > > > > > I would love to see anything you have. For Hardy we will stick with the > > > same > > > main desktop colors as we always have used, it being the last of the > > > cycle > > > and all. > > Just for a hint, Mirco Muller is using a Murrine theme which I gave him > > a year ago. With a matching wallpaper too. > > > > > > Thanks for the information, I hope we can discuss this more in the future. > > > > > > -- > > > Ken > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using > > > > > murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and > > > > > we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need > > > > > improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although > > > > > it > > > > > does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. > > > > > With > > > > > an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In > > > > > many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-) > > > > > > > > > > Human Ubuntu Looks (#1): > > > > > - lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we > > > > > don't > > > > > have to get rid of them just yet > > > > > + we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons > > > > > + and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box > > > > > - toggle button doesn't share the obviousness > > > > > + liked the markers in the progress bars > > > > > + liked the inset tray look of sliders > > > > > + liked the filled insides of sliders > > > > > + liked the prelight colour of scrollbars > > > > > + liked tab colours and no gradient > > > > > + selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect > > > > > > > > > > Human Clearlooks (#2): > > > > > - menubar different colour to everything else > > > > > - gradient buttons instead of glossy > > > > > - no prelight of scrollbars > > > > > - no colour inside sliders > > > > > - checkboxes not obviously checked > > > > > + but toggle buttons are much more obvious > > > > > - don't like tab gradients > > > > > + but colour is ok > > > > > - progress bars look like tanks, no markers > > > > > > > > > > Human Murrine (#3): > > > > > - lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of > > > > > window; not urgent to remove > > > > > ? menu bar is very strange > > > > > + but the menus themselves look great with the gutter > > > > > - quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye > > > > > - progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset > > > > > - sliders also not inset > > > > > + but filled > > > > > + obviously checked > > > > > - but white > > > > > - toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact > > > > > + tabs have no gradient and gutter colours > > > > > - no scrollbar prelight > > > > > - entire scrollbar coloured > > > > > > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
