Dear Friend, I think that you miss the point. I will explain.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Daniel Sobey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi list, > > It's a great idea on paper but i do not see it working with a community > our size. > Currently we have 24 people in #ubuntu-au-chat and 38 in #ubuntu-au, we > have around 300 people on the mailing list. > Why are people not active ? if we have 300 people on the mailing list How many people are currently signed-on to the ubuntu-au website that are not on the mailing list or on the official team list ? Why do they not subscribe or become official ? > At release parties we do get 20-30 people to meet up in but I don't see > that anywhere near big enough to support anything like lug style > meetings. Australia is also quite big with people in the capitol cities > and not a lot else. Perhaps Sydney or Melbourne might have the numbers > but if only 2 places have the council what is the point? > With Brisbane that makes Team-contact + web-master + 3 representatives that makes 5 people. The 'Point', is not how many people are on the ACC, but that an ACC exists so that 'people' can get-together in sufficient numbers to form a 'local LoCo' and take a seat on the ACC. > We do need to change, but just adding 3 layers of bureaucracy will not > help, perhaps in 5 or 10 years when our community has grown it will be > needed but not now. > You are right, perhaps in 5 to 10 years we will need 3 layers. (it is a blue-print for the future) The model doesn't call for this until the numbers are sufficient. And a 'state-council' is only created if there are more than 5 reps on the ACC (in the same state). > So the question is if the current system is not working, or not working > as well as it should why is the proposal is to replace 1 person with > potentially 9 people. > Providing a structure for people to come forward to share the leadership. > There is some space for more people to step up into leadership but i'm > not sure if anyone has come forward and offered themselves up. Perhaps > part of the problem is that no one has come up with ideas and everyone > is looking to Melissa for everything. Her approach is to let everyone do > what they want and leave them up to themselves. > There are many 'leaders' in this group, but there is no encouragement for them to stand-up. There is no 'leadership role' for them to take. "i'm (you) are not sure if anyone has come forward and offered themselves up" - That is because there is no transparent process for leaders to come forward. > I think there is a place for leadership but there is little point in > adding another layer. If you think you have something to contribute go > ahead and contribute, we need all the help we can get. You do not need > to be approved before doing anything just make your suggestion and the > community will help as much as we can. > There is no 'extra layer', there are 'extra people' in leadership roles. Individuals can still do anything that they like. 'One person can achieve a little, many people can achieve a lot' > The question we should be asking is what needs to be done and what isn't > being done with the current system and how adding this will help. > "An open and transparent 'Leadership' as there is currently none. An ACC will provide 'Advisory, Support, Leadership & Co-ordination, a Local contact" > Regards, > Daniel > > Regards, Andrew G.
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