Hi,

> It would be very useful to provide a link to Yannick's documentation in
> the Ubuntu docs. 

I don't like this idea very much, because, the Ubuntu documentation will
be translated but the link you will provide will remain in english. Most
Ubuntu users like having their stuff in their own langage.

My hope is to have my documentation in the wiki to be translated in the
other Ubuntu wikis. I keep it synced (more or less) with the french
Ubuntu wiki.

> However, I'd advise against including all of it in the
> system docs because it's very in-depth; it's probably best to leave
> large, extended guides such as this on the wiki. Including Yannick's
> guide would virtually replace the Ekiga documentation we ship!

You're right, it's in-depth and it was intented to. The process I used
to build it was to offering my support to users in forums, irc, ... It
was written based on feddback. I can say most of it (if not all) is
really made to help solving actual issues with Ekiga. The work of
documenting the software itself in a very large way is done in
wiki.ekiga.org where I (and others :) try to cover *every* aspects of
Ekiga working hand in hand with upstream.

As a consequence of this methodology, I would say 95% of the wiki
documentation cover subjects you *won't* find in the manual shipped with
Ekiga. I've just copy some informations to help people getting started
from the manual (the short version of the first assistant, the how to
purchase the default commercial provider and how to dial phone numbers
with it, but that's mostly all I've copy).

To be clear, title 3. Ekiga.net services (free calls PC-to-PC) and title
5. Configuration are not covered at all by the manual. (title 4.
Register to a commercial VoIP provider (landline and mobile phones) has
only the default provider covered)

Thus you can take most of it, as I stated in a previous comment, without
having the informations provided being a replacement for the manual you
will ship with Ekiga.

> 
> If there are specific troubleshooting issues which people have with
> Ekiga, however, it might be worth including a short topic on those in
> the system docs.
> 

>From there, you can take 2 paths (and a middle term at will):

1- taking the most of my wiki documentation (see my previous comment to
see what exactly is worth it)

2- taking just the more needed.

In this second option, I would say people really need to know the
interoperability ( title 1. Desktop interoperability) The link to the
wiki there, even in english, is worth it in my opinion because it list
exactly what you can expect from a communication between Ekiga and
another softphone. This is really what people wants to know. I used
colors and images in a table to make simple to read, hopefully even if
you don't know english.

Title 2. First use, is what the Ubuntu documentation tries to cover, if
I get it correctly: howto get the software just work. If you compare it
with the manual, you'll see the manual don't cover the test number of
ekiga.net sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (e.g: see this bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/47717). Plus, it insist on the
sip:address, what is people should take care if anything else goes
right. In the wiki I provide a link to a step-by-step for the druid, but
this is fully covered by the manual (the online documentation gives more
work around in case of trouble, but the manual is translated and the
online documentation is not. Thus I think the manual is better in this
case. Is it possible to link to the relevant part of the manual
instead ? (I think the title is "First use" in the yelp based manual,
title II.)

Title 3. Ekiga.net services (free calls PC-to-PC) is usefull, but if you
want it short I think you can skip it.

Title 4. Register to a commercial VoIP provider (landline and mobile
phones) should be covered for the default provider: in the spirit of
having something that just work you can copy it, or link to the manual,
title III.I.II.

Title 5. Configuration covers most issues people have when things goes
not right after the druid. It's worth including it, but if you want
things short and don't want to bother people with issues in the official
documentation, just skip it.

Title 7. Development snapshots is worth for upstream to have "beta
testers". The packages there are very well done by the Debian maintainer
of Ekiga kilian Krause, thus they won't give any trouble and they
install nearby the stable release. If you're willing to help upstream,
you can add this part ;) But this clearly is for power users able to
report valuable bugs.

Regards,
Yannick
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