On Dec 29, 2007 1:06 PM, carrasclin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'am wondering if this issue has something to do with this other bug
> report I've posted recently https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source
> /module-assistant/+bug/178789

Looks similar. A lot of drivers are affected by this change (the
change being moving UTS_RELEASE to a different header file) but it is
so simple to fix that it really isn't a problem. It simply means the
driver was written for an older version of the kernel. In most cases
it works perfectly after fixing the header file issue.

> By the way I've returned to Official Debian Etch and all this sorts of
> problems have gone away.

They had way more time to get it going and if the development cycle of
previous versions are anything to go on, we should be fine until 2011
or so :-P A direct comparison really isn't possible when ubuntu only
has 6 month cycles.

> Is it making a visualy cosmeticised distro out of Debian Sid which
> crashes on loging or salutes you with a stalled black screen while
> booting, does not allow you to enable some modules for some hardware
> --though this is a featured suposedly supported-- the way to attract new
> people to open and free software?

I suspect certain small bits (or hardware combinations) do not get
sufficient testing, they enter ubuntu directly from the debian side
and they don't get fixed up in the 6 months between releases. Some
don't even get fixed later. I don't think the dnsmasq package in
Dapper ever got fixed (crashes when renewing a non-existend lease).
And from my experience you can't properly cancel print jobs on
parallel printers (most developers either don't have printers or don't
have parallel printers anymore).

The fix is often very simple: just pull the latest one from debian. I
suppose you can complain all you want but if the package is in
universe or multiverse, you have to shut up or fix it yourself. Or use
debian. Ubuntu actually never made any promises other than supporting
the "main" component so I suppose you have to accept that these are
not really "supported".

I've often considered doing something about this but I just don't have
the time to become a full-time developer on ubuntu or debian. I
recently looked over the debian process of becoming a developer and
decided not to pursue it any longer: it is simply too much effort. I
don't even know about ubuntu but it seems equally hard.

There is also the matter of hardware that gets replaced. I only have
one ATI card, at my place of work. In a year or so it might get
replaced and it would no longer make sense for me to be the "ubuntu
maintainer". I suppose a lot of people feel the same way, so the
problem is solved many times over without it ever being fixed upstream
in ubuntu.

regards,
Izak

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