On 04/07/2011 02:40 AM, Manish Sinha wrote:
On 04/06/2011 07:53 PM, Stereotactic wrote:
Yes. This is also a pointer towards a larger goal of moving towards an
ecosystem. First, they move towards Unity instead of supporting Gnome,
then they refuse to contribute much to the "code",
I think you read just too many blogs than actually investigating. I
know a lot of Ubuntu developers who are *actually* contributing
upstream.
This debate can *never* be settled; so let it be.
Another thing - Please understand the meaning of upstream first. Ubuntu
has more than one upstream and not only GNOME.
Thats good. Still, it's main flagship was always Gnome and hence there
are going to be murmurs of protest at how it has abadoned the ship. It
would take time for Unity to mature, no doubt, but the real interest
would be focussed on how Gnome is able to battle it out.
the roots; i.e. Debian and I am downloading the rolling release.
Ubuntu isn't a rolling release and wont be ever. It should never be a
rolling release.
Thats where the power of choice really is. However, Mark has mentioned
somewhere that Ubuntu *might* become one; its an unsettled question.
However, thats NOT the point of debate here.
Rolling release dont work for non-techie user.
That's an abberation. Again your opinion.
I never said that Ubuntu should be rolling release. Please read
carefully. There are other options, as well though.
We geeks find it proud
to be using latest versions of everything and continuously updating our
system. Non-techies don't.
Rolling release can be based on Unstable or Testing versions; Unstable
is not so cool as testing really is. But I let that pass. And I mention
*again* that rolling release is *not* the point of debate.
Whatever you say, Ubuntu would have never gained so much popularity
with rolling release ever.
Your opinion.
Paid software in the software centre is a slow pointer towards
generation of ecosystem. Make the base OS free and let people pay for
the software.
Yes. It a pointer towards a good ecosystem. Paying for software is
not bad.
This is what I object to. Yes, Ubuntu made it easier for me to switch to
Linux; it's installer is best in the ecosystem. Period.
I am NOT objecting to say Ubuntu One as a service in the cloud, for
example. That's an additional module, not really a part of the main OS.
Canonical has full right to charge whatever it deems fit in the cloud.
Paid software in software centre really is pushing the commerce in
user's desktops. When I use Ubuntu (as the base OS), I really care for
whatever components I choose. Paid software, even when whet with the
community, would invariably be tagged with terms of "fair use", sooner
or later.
If someone wants to give software as a service, it's perfectly desirable
solution; for example, paid support for individuals who are hard pressed
for time to look for alternative means of support on forums or mailing
lists or even IRC.
In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian
and GNU.
A non-techie user (as per your definition) would again be oblivious of
"fancy terms and conditions"; once the critical mass, in terms of users,
is reached, there would perhaps be no stopping Canonical to implement
it's own (jaundiced) terms. It has already moved towards Unity and
slowly poisoning it's relation with other companies in the ecosystem
refusing to play ball with others. Perhaps it has *balls* enough but the
future is going to stormy for all of them.
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