*"I think this question highlights a lack of knowledge of the "rules" of the desktop in Ubuntu."* * * *Perhaps the rules need revision. * On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Alan Pope <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, > > 2010/1/13 Ilya Haykinson <[email protected]>: > > Please let me know if you think we need any changes to the questions. > > > > "Do you believe a manual like this should be included in Lucid Lynx by > default?" > > I have explained to Benjamin that I'm uncomfortable with the amount of > focus being placed on getting the manual onto CD/ISO. Especially given > it's so far unfinished, and not in main so ineligible to get on the > CD. Putting pressure on the project to put this unfinished manual on > the CD on the proviso that it may be ready on time raises a few > issues:- > > * Pressure is placed on the ubuntu manual team ( a brand new team ) to > get something on a CD which will be around for years (it's LTS). > * Pressure is placed on the Ubuntu developers who manage the content > of the CD. If the Ubuntu Manual team have gathered a massive amount of > users who click "yes" but for some other reason it _cannot_ be put on > the CD then the Ubuntu developers could well be painted as the > bad/evil ones for not doing "what people want". The content of the CD > isn't decided just by a popularity contest, all packages that go on > the CD are very carefully considered. > * There is no way the Ubuntu Manual team can guarantee that the manual > package will be updated. It's all very well saying that the manual > will be updated in every release and will be maintained within one > release (bug fixes), but there is no way the team can guarantee that. > That's up to maintainers of the main section of the repository. > * In the event that the Ubuntu Manual team is unable to maintain the > package (are there any MOTUs in the manual team?) it will likely fall > to the Documentation Team to maintain the manual in the future. What > provision has been made for this? Will the Doc team be happy > maintaining two separate sets of documentation? (I suspect not) > > I've heard counter arguments that Ubuntu is too regimented and has too > much process, and that the Manual should be able to somehow bypass > this. Note that the processes we do have, have resulted in multiple > on-time quality releases of Ubuntu that thousands of people work > towards. We have a process for getting content in the main section and > on the CD and that works. Lets not try to create exceptions to that > process for one unfinished product. > > "If it was to be included by default, do you think it should be on the > desktop?" > > I think this question highlights a lack of knowledge of the "rules" of > the desktop in Ubuntu. It's a pointless question because we do not put > _any_ icons or links directly on the desktop in a default install. I > would recommend you remove it. If it were to be on the CD then it > would likely be placed in a shared folder > "/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-manual/" for example, and a link placed in some > other folder, but there wont be an icon on the desktop, end of story. > > > Note that in the free version of the tool I can only ask 9 questions > (plus > > one slot that is used for the intro text), and can't have conditional > logic > > in the questions. I think that is not a serious limitation -- anything > > longer is unlikely to get answered anyways. > > > > Don't let the tool dictate the questions. If you want to ask more > comprehensive questions then use another tool. Other survey systems > are available, there's no rush to get this done in the next 7 hours. > > I'm keen for this project to succeed, but please be careful not to > focus too much on getting on the CD, and not to rush things. > > Cheers, > Al. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Benjamin Humphrey Ubuntu Manual Project Leader Dunedin, New Zealand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual www.interesting.co.nz www.benjaminhumphreyphotography.com
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