Hi, On 15/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If that's the way you have decided to take this forward then I > > > sincerely hope it's successful. > > > > > > > That sounds like you're pulling out because you disagree with one decision > > about the hosting of the project? Why's that? > > Not at all - I'm a bit miffed that my concerns at it being more > awkward to bring what's needed to the project by using ubuntuvideo > seem to be being overlooked
I'd like to emphasise that from my point of view you should never feel that I'm not listening to your position. I can understand that it's often difficult to understand other people's points of views when you've already elaborated your own plans for a project. However, it's simply not true that your concerns have been overlooked: so far I've taken care to address each of them individually (see your points (a), (b) and (c) at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2007-August/002212.html). If you don't accept that drupal (which is the software used by ubuntuvideo.com) has the appropriate features which this project needs, then it's important for you to explain why, because so far you haven't done so. Also, you should address our point that creating an entire site from scratch will be more difficult than extending the existing site using recognised plugins which have the relevant features, not to mention the fact that developing a website which overlaps with an existing one dilutes the effect of both. > To be fair, what I don't want is for people to hand down direction, > and for me to be left running around doing the actual work. Input is > fantastic, and I love working with others, I just want everyone to get > their hands dirty :-D Handing down direction is an ugly phrase: the issue in this thread should be discussed by the whole team and a consensus will come out of that discussion. Getting hands dirty is a separate question. Regardless of the outcome of the issue being discussed in this thread (i.e. software / url to use for this project), the project will still require people to contribute, especially yourself (as Alan points out). Hopefully, reusing an existing site will mean that the "getting hands dirty" part can be focused less on the creation of the host and more on the creation and circulation of the videos themselves. > > > All I ask is please lets not turn this in to yet another 'all talk and > > > no action' project. We need physical input and assistance as well as > > > talk. Things don't happen just through suggesting them. > > > > > > > If you walk away then this is _exactly_ what will happen. :( Absolutely right. It would be a real shame for you to be discouraged by anything in this thread. Working in a free software community requires a good amount of patience and compromise. Since I've been involved in the Ubuntu community, I've been "knocked back" a number of times when an idea which I was *so* sure was completely watertight wasn't accepted by others; each time I've come to understand that in fact that was either because I hadn't presented it properly or because it wasn't as watertight as I thought: in any event it's very important to understand that discussion like this enriches the project rather than damages it. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
