-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 VidA wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a theory, but you may not like it:-) A lack of a formal >> leadership structure. Specific "offices" that are filled as they become >> vacant. > > Frankly speaking, its not entirely true that we lack leaders in > Ubuntu. In the past too we have had good projects (SU?) but as we all > know a project does not go forward with just chiefs/heads...it needs > folks willing to pick up the spade and dig. Maybe that is where things > fizzed out. In my experience with the libre software community one > leads by example instead of waiting for stuff to get done (read, paid > employees in the outside world). > > I agree with the others, lets not hurry to elect a group of leaders > until such time as the relationship, tasks, role, etc... with > Canonical marketing team is mutually established. It would be nicer to > have a synergy with them, if nothing else. > > >> And for those on this team who are not Christians, every >> major religion has similar history. > > erm... without meaning to digress, mine[1] does not. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanatana_Dharma > "Frankly speaking, its not entirely true that we lack leaders in Ubuntu. In the past too we have had good projects (SU?) but as we all know a project does not go forward with just chiefs/heads...it needs folks willing to pick up the spade and dig. Maybe that is where things fizzed out. In my experience with the libre software community one leads by example instead of waiting for stuff to get done (read, paid employees in the outside world).?"
We were not discussing the entire Ubuntu community, but rather the marketing team specifically, and, from what I've been able to glean from the discussion here as well as what research I've been able to do, the marketing team has done very little in recent months. I may not know much about technical issues, but I believe I understand marketing quite well, since I have been doing it since I was 12 and have been writing about it and researching it for nearly 20 years. Marketing is not a one person job for something like Ubuntu, and certainly not if you want to take on Microsoft, which is what Bug #1 is all about. Marketing Ubuntu requires a great deal of coordination of effort - everything from designing graphics to writing press releases to giving presentations. An effective marketing campaign requires the efforts of a number of people with different skills. But those efforts have to be coordinated so that everything required for a campaign is ready at the same time. I am sure that the developers team has leadership that coordinates the efforts of all the developers working on the latest release of Ubuntu as well as coordinating with other relevant teams like Documentation to make sure everything is ready when it is supposed to be ready. This team has none of that. And, since we are speaking frankly, the attitude that it will get done without leadership is quite naive. "I agree with the others, lets not hurry to elect a group of leaders until such time as the relationship, tasks, role, etc... with Cano:nical marketing team is mutually established. It would be nicer to have a synergy with them, if nothing else." And who is going to do that? Who has the authority to speak for this team in any discussions with Canonical???? This is putting the cart before the horse. No one here can discuss things with Canonical until they have some sort of authority to speak for the team. We cannot each go off doing our own thing. If I believed that, I would not be spending my time writing messages on this list, I'd be talking to Canonical myself. I'd be talking to LoCos like the UK LoCo about what needs to be done to get Ubuntu onto Becta's list of recommended software for schools in the UK. I'd be writing articles for various educational trade joutnals in the US touting the benefits of Edubuntu. I'd be on the phone to several very large online home schooling communities here in the US that provide curricula to home schoolers about Edubuntu. And talking to the LoCos that are located near those communities about putting together a demo for those homeschool sites. But I do not have that authority, No one person on this team does. And no one person on this team can do that kind of marketing campaign alone. It takes a team. A team with leadership. A team wjere everyone has a role and understands that role. Any team, whether it is a team of volunteers or a team of athletes, cannot function effectively without leadership. To think that we can do effective marketing without leadership and structure is. to repeat myself, quite naive and will result in this team accomplishing nothing but lots of conversation. I apologize if this offends anyone, but like I said, this situation is very frustrating. The potential of what we could do as a team - an organized team - is staggering. And, personally, I am itching to get it going. We can literally rock the world with this! :=) - -- Peace! John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITTWz3oYFui6B2koRAmqqAJ90joYfODrDfR35I8AWLjLD+gd8ogCeOAz9 0a9ZKm+mT5421uxQ0w2quyI= =5k3p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
