On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 12:00:39PM +0200, Anders Häggström wrote: > > > I have now shrinked the serverinstallation of Feisty down to aprox > > > 350MB. My keywords so far is to swich to a server-kernel, to be > > > able to remove Xorg-dependencies, and removing documentation. > > > > Huh? > > > > 1. Standard server installation is already at around 350MB. > > 2. Server kernel *is* default on server installations. > > 3. The installed kernel has *nothing* to do with whether or not you can > > remove > > Xorg, which by the way is not even installed on a server installation. > > > > > I also found out that you should not use apt-get, as it does not keep > > > track of dependencies. > > > > Er.. Yes, it does. > > > 1. No > 2. No > 3. Maby I was using bad english. What I meant was the nVidia > graphicsdriver and those stuff that is only useful to Xorg but is a > dependecy for the generic-kernel because it is a kernel module.
I'm looking now at a fresh feisty server installation. I've run one (1) command after rebooting: 'apt-get clean'. I now have a total space consumption of 362796 kB which is 354 MB. The kernel is 2.6.20-15-server. > This is not what I experienced when installing it. My installation > was ~650MB after the installation, with a generic-kernel and I didn't > get a choise to install the server-kernel during the installation. I don't know what you did, but my fresh feisty server installation is very different fro that. You should report a bug. > I also have some laptop-specific packages installed such as > wpasuplicant and wireless-tools that is dependencies to ubuntu-minimal > but does not belong in a server enviroment. One could argue that. One could also argue that it's more important from a things-should-just-work perspective that if someone is unlucky enough to only have wifi access from his/her server, we shouldn't rob him/her of his/her only way of connecting to the network. > And if I look into the kernel config there is more stuff that is > laptop/desktop-specific, like CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY (if that isn't used > for UPSes but I don't believe so), CONFIG_ACPI_DOCK and > cardbus/pcmcia/pccard and irda/bluetooth. Maby neccesay in some > servers, but I doubt it common. You need to realise that "server" does not necessarily mean huge, expensive things with only fancy RAID cards and so on. It just means an no-desktop installation. If people need to use some sort of bluetooth device, they shouldn't be forced to install a complete desktop. It's a perfectly valid use case. Also, since you're spending so much time getting rid of those last 12MB, I'm guessing YOUR server is not a big, several thousand euro machine either? > To Ante Karamatić, do you really think it's helpful to shout for a lot > of false statements and don't describe what you mean? You don't think > I'm lying, do you? To be perfectly honest, I'd be hesitant of accusing others of shouting random things if I were you. Case in point: apt-get not handling dependencies.. > To Soren Hansen, if the serverinstallation was 350MB with a > server-kernel as standard this discussion about shrinking it shouldn't > have started, don't you think? Indeed, but how would you expect me to stop the discussion before you even started it? -- | Soren Hansen | Linux2Go | http://Linux2Go.dk/ | | Seniorkonsulent | Lindholmsvej 42, 2. TH | +45 46 90 26 42 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 9400 Norresundby, Denmark | GPG key: E8BDA4E3 |
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