* Serge Hallyn <[email protected]> [2014-02-07 09:40]: > Quoting Ryan Harper ([email protected]): > > * Serge Hallyn <[email protected]> [2014-02-06 17:04]: > > > Quoting Peter Matulis ([email protected]): > > > > On 12/10/2013 12:13 PM, Serge Hallyn wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Years ago it was decided that vm-builder would be deprecated in favor > > > > > of alternatives (cloud images, live-build, and some others). This was > > > > > dicussed at at least two separate physical UDSes. However, it was > > > > > never actually dropped from the archive. As a result people kept > > > > > using it despite it being considered deprecated and no longer > > > > > maintained. This is resulting in people losing data and time, i.e. > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/1090223 > > > > > > > > > > I intend to open a bug to ask that it be removed from the archive > > > > > for trusty. If anyone objects, please reply here. > > > > > > > > What is the state of documentation for 'live-build and some others'? We > > > > shouldn't assume everyone has been cloudified. > > > > > > Pretty poor. I am placing my hopes more on Robie's uvtool package than > > > live-build. It is what I've been using for projects needing to migrate > > > from vmbuilder. uvtool should definately gain a server guide section. > > > > Definitely. I'd be happy to contribute here. I've been a heavy user of > > uvtool since I found out about it last fall. > > Hi Ryan, > > I could be wrong but think Robie was going to write a section, so be > sure to coordinate if so.
Sure. > > Note that there is one package left which is in heavy use and still > uses vm-builder: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auto-upgrade-testing/+bug/1261416 > > I do intend to come up with a patch to convert it to uvtool, however if > you have time, it sounds like you've used uvtool a lot more than I have, > so help would be greatly appreciated. I'll take a look. > > > I saw this back in December, but didn't get a chance to play with it > > yet. > > > > http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html > > Interestingly, it appears to come down to using virt-install to > come up with the initial image :) Hrm, I think I ended up here: https://github.com/clalancette/oz/wiki/oz-install Which appears to do install-from-scratch. Haven't tried this one either. > > smoser has occasionally mentioned another tool - whose name I > always forget but is as I recall ungoogle-able - which actually > works by simply booting an install iso and driving the installer. There have been a number of these. The old kvm-autotest framework had a tool that would automatically drive user input through qemu monitor commands (sendkey, mouse_move, mouse_click). Would use screenshots as install checkpoints, but of course was prone to image corruption. kvm autotest all use OS methods for unattended install (kickstart, preseed, etc). > That would be a nice complement to uvtool - one exercising our > published cloud images, and the other our iso installer. > > -serge
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