On 10/20/2009 01:17 PM, Luis de Bethencourt wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Jussi Schultink<[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Luis de Bethencourt<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Cory K.<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/19/2009 07:48 PM, Eric Hedekar wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Cory K.<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I /thought/ I expressed my disapproval w/Ubuntu switching to Empathy >>>>>> over Pidgin early in the cycle but I mighta just ranted in IRC. :P >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, the more I thought about asking Luke to switch it in our >>>>>> seeds I thought about whether it really makes sense for Studio? A distro >>>>>> that is *not* a desktop distro. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I propose we support/ship no client by default. Let the user apt-get >>>>>> whatever they like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please chime in on this so we can act quickly. (as I'm sure we're >>>>>> totally up against a freeze or something) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> IF there's still time, I'd support shipping Karmic without a >>>>> messenger. The only downside is that we conduct much of the Ubuntu >>>>> Studio work on IRC and shipping without any IRC client might send a >>>>> slight anti-participatory signal to users (just a slight one). >>>>> >>>> As Studio is and has been from it's inception meant to be used on >>>> purpose-built, stand-alone systems I just don't feel it fits default. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I do >>>>> feel though that if we do ship a messenger, there's no reason to stray >>>>> from the default Ubuntu client (empathy in this case). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> We stray *heavily* from Ubuntu anymore. Generally, I don't think that >>>> should be used as an excuse. I also very strongly feel that Empathy is a >>>> step down from Pidgin feature-wise. >>>> >>>> So I say we axe a messenger for now. See if there's a backlash of any >>>> significance and look at this question again in Lucid in needed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I agree with Cory, Empathy is not mature enough compared to Pidgin. >>> Even further, if we are deciding which IM app to ship by default, it >>> really does make sense to start wondering why shippin an IM client at >>> all. Studio setups dont need an IM, even worse... the pop >>> notifications and audio signals (they are turned on by default) break >>> the artists concentration. >>> >>> >> To me this is rather a no brainer. We dont ship a networkmanager >> installed by default, why would we ship things that rely on it?Studio >> isnt meant to be an "internet" distro, its meant for creating things. >> Put it on the dvd, but not installed. simple IMHO. >> > I forgot about networkmanager. doh! having that in mind.. it is a > no-brainer indeed. >
Settled. Luke, please remove Empathy and put Pidgin on the disks but not installed. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
