Toine, Let me preface this email by thanking you for your involvement with Ubuntu Studio. I've read quite a bit of the mail archives, Ubuntu Forum posts, and wiki/help documentation I have seen your name often. I certainly hope you continue your involvement.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:38 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Le 14/09/2010 04:38, Chris Jones a écrit : > Most users currently install Ubuntu from standard live cd, and then > install only what they need. I am concerned by audio production and know > a lot of people using Ubuntu for that, no one use the alternative cd/dvd > install: it is not user friendly, and install too much stuff. Who need a > menu full of things he/she will not use ? I am with you, the Ubuntu > Studio install media is not a priority. > > I would be interested in pulling some numbers to determine just how many people use the vanilla Ubuntu LiveCD and then install their specifically required apps. Any ideas or initiative to effect this would be appreciated. My guess is only those users who have at least a modicum of confidence with Ubuntu and the audio applications will do this and might be less than some might expect. I would imagine that this is limited to persons who have used Ubuntu Studio throughout several releases. I agree the current install methodology is unwieldy and the resultant is not optimal. While I do not think we have the developer resources to move away from the alternative installer at the moment (but I would be happy if someone proved me wrong) there has been discussions about dividing the audio applications into finer granularity meta-packages. Nothing tangible has really been discussed but a rough delineation might be recording live instruments (i.e. a band situation) vs. MIDI/synthesis instruments (i.e. tone generation). This would hopefully align installed applications closer to user work flows. Alternately, moderating the audio menu is another possible consideration that has been discussed as well. I should point out that I personally use the Ubuntu Studio disc simply for convenience, rather than add many packages by hand, although I concede that it has sufficient deficiencies as mentioned above. * snip * > I agree with on that point: I am not sure that Ubuntu Studio needs to be > a full distribution. As I have already said, I think Ubuntu Studio > community would be more useful providing good backports for multimedia > production, maintain the ubuntu-studio-menu and some other useful > packages/tools/gui/apps. And have a good and simple website like playdeb > or getdeb, more documented and in several languages. > > Toine > > I have given a lot of thought lately to this topic. Several people have strongly suggested the use of PPA's and websites rather than an Ubuntu Studio disc and the official Ubuntu archives. Releasing Ubuntu Studio on disc affords us several advantages over other methodologies: * allows us to control what is *not* installed - good example is the use of gnome-network-admin in lieu of network manager (which was found to degrade recording performance) or the MeMenu * a single Ubuntu Studio disc can be installed on multiple machines * allows installation on a studio machine that may not have internet * the disc can be downloaded outside the studio - perhaps the studio has dial up internet connection, but the ISO can be downloaded somewhere else that has a much faster connection This is not a holistically inclusive list, but hopefully you can see that many might see the benefit from the examples listed above. You also mention backports. An official Ubuntu Studio PPA for backports has been discussed as well. It should be noted that the backports PPA would also serve as a method to guarantee the quality of a backport (tested by Ubuntu Studio users and devs) before it went into the official archives to be released for all Ubuntu users. Once again, thank you for your efforts Toine. I hope to hear from you soon. Regards, ScottL
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