On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 06:22:48 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> IOW it's just a silly hype that there is the need to be able to listen to several audio sources on the computer, at the same time, there are just a few valid exceptional circumstances, so it would make more > > This is not about listening to more than one thing at a time. It never was > really. It is about ease of use. It is about idiot proofing. Those of us > that help people on IRC have watched as people revove/kill pulse are happy > that jack works with xyz program and then complain that now abc program no > longer works. Most people doing music on their pc, listen to music and at > least play games at the same time once in a while. I have seen people use > skype and sing along to a youtube video. A radio studio can be expected to > blend the sound of music, anouncer and a phone caller (skype probably... > not because the radio studio likes it but because the caller knows nothing > else). We do have desktop sounds turned off in Studio, but the user can > turn them back on (I think they would have to install the sounds first). > > So it is also about minimizing the amount of work we do as support. Ubuntu > is often the first Linux someone from windows will see. The ideas that > what are you complaining about, you only use one sound source at a time > anyway.... is just a way of saying "go away". > > We are not talking about an individual Studio machine, But a distro for > many uses, some of which are not audio, That most people use as desktop > plus artistic use. There are more beginning users than professional... and > even the professional users may find their workflow improves if they don't > have to remember to stop jack so they can use xyz properly. Nobody wants > to remember to jump through hoops to do their job. > > -- > Len Ovens > www.ovenwerks.net [1] I think both of you have good points to consider. If Pulseaudio handles some apps that Jack and Alsa don't, and there's no way to get these to handle them, then it's obvious that Pulseaudio will "fill the gap" for those particular programs. It's also true that newbies will be more encouraged to use linux if there are fewer hoops to jump through in order to get their favorite apps up and running as they want. As such, perhaps there needs to be a type of "pre-use presentation" that a fresh install gives the user, explaining that apps a, b and c require Pulseaudio, but that Jack and Alsa are important to others. As I'm writing this, I realize that I don't think I've EVER seen an operating system where there are "guides" that help you to get set-up. I think this is something missing with linux, and especially since audio production requires a bit of "extra knowledge," this type of thing might really help new users. Any thoughts? brian Links: ------ [1] http://www.ovenwerks.net
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