On 2016-07-10 11:48, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: >> On 2016-07-10 11:10, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: >>> Just want to mention a couple of things. >>> >>> The way this communication was handled here has led to that Jimmy left >>> our team, which is a bad thing (Jimmy, me and Len are the oldest active >>> members of this community, currently). >>> >>> Jimmy takes an initiative, but instead of being encouraged he is stopped >>> by something clearly unimportant in this particular situation. >> >> Ok, he took an initiative, and formulated it as an initiative on behalf >> of the group. It was a miscommunication, ok, we get that now. >> >> Why not just correct the shot instead of tacitly call a fellow team-mate >> narrowminded contraproductive. > > Perhaps your own words describe it best. Or, if I rewrite it to > "narrowmindedly counterproductive". > > At least, it is clear that you are very stubborn and not ready to back > one inch from your original position - which in itself is not the Ubuntu > Studio position, but your own personal position. You don't actually > promote discussion. Just that you are prepared to fire more words at it, > if someone is ready to listen to them - since you clearly are not ready > to reevaluate your role in this project and what the project is actually > about.
Sure, flaming someone up publicly like you do now is a good way to make someone back down. FTR, i've expressed countless of times that i came to understand that jimmy did NOT talk on behalf of a group. The only one who took things personaly in this case is Jimmy. However, since you now make this your own personal issue publicly: if anyone has a record in bad conflict-management enabling them to be judgemental about this kind of attitude, i don't think it is you, zequence. > >> >>> >>> Using Google Hangouts for live communication would in no way mean Ubuntu >>> Studio is promoting Google - just that a few people would be using a >>> very simple solution for live communication. If Set feels other tools >>> would be better, and simple enough to set up, he can always work out the >>> solution and present it as an alternative, once he has done so. >> >> No, it was jimmy's initiative. If HE wants to help with video HE should >> set up a sollution for video conference. Using hangouts or skype would >> exclude major part of the team from taking part. > > It would evidently exclude one person - the project lead, who is not > ready to be flexible enough to meet the needs of the rest of the team. I'm affraid it is not up to you to decide. And i find it ironcial that you of all past project leads invoke flexibility. But sure, set up a vote: Who is the villain that should be fired? Good Ubuntu Studio spirit my friend. > >> >> And like i said MANY times, i don't care what jimmy does in his >> freetime. However, being a member of the team, if jimmy writes "we" to a >> 3rd part in the context of this list then he has to assume to be read as >> taking an initiative on behlaf of the group. This is basic >> communciation. Had that mail of his been sent off-list directly to Devin >> nothing of this would have been necessary. There was already clear signs >> of confusion in the discussion regarding what the team could do for NEC >> or not, i felt Jimmy's freelance shot had the potential to build uppon >> that confusion and corrected that. >> >> Believe it or not, i have regards concerning Jimmy. I do enjoy him as a >> person. But this drama number has severely affected me personaly and the >> way i perceive him. Trying to look back i wonder what he has done, but i >> sure know it is the 3rd time he calls me out for being a conservative >> freesoftware extremist. And Last time someone slammed the door on me >> over a simple disagreement, i was a teenager. >> >>> >>> Our work is to promote Ubuntu Studio, which in itself is not 100% free >>> software, so having zero tolerance to non-free software in combination >>> with Ubuntu Studio is hypocrisy. It is not up to us who uses free >>> software, and we couldn't provide a 100% free software solution anyway >>> already because of the kernel. If someone wants to use a completely free >>> solution Ubuntu Studio is not the right choice - neither for the user or >>> the developer. It's just an impossibility. >>> That said, we do promote free software. And we do that through Ubuntu >>> Studio, which is where the focus should be. Using non free services in >>> order to reach as many people as possible is unfortunate, but it is also >>> the best way to do that in this moment. Not using those services will >>> just add barriers where there already are too many barriers, in order >>> for people to discover the free software world. >>> >>> We are not crusading against Google, Facebook, or any other such >>> services. We are not *against* non-free software, in fact. But, we are >>> *for* free software. It's a big difference. >> >> Exactly, we are FOR free software. That means we should first look for >> freesoftware alternatives. If you come with a plan, than make it happen. >> > > There was already a good plan. But, there was only one person in the > team who was against it, and it was you. What was the good plan? Video conference with an inactive memeber? To talk about issues only canonical can resolve... please... > >> Now i understand Jimmy did NOT speak on behalf of the group. Why is >> that? Maybe he hasn't felt like a member for a long time? I don't know, >> i can just speculate. His departue sure is a loss, and i wish things >> would have worked out differently. But they didn't. I understand you >> stand up for your buddy, but reviving this discussion is not going to >> sort anything out. >> >> If anyone has a problem with with my attitude in this discussion and >> think there is something i should learn, i welcome them to bring it up >> with either me or jimmy off-list. >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> -- >> Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer >> >> -- >> ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> Email had 1 attachment: >> + signature.asc >> 1k (application/pgp-signature) > -- Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer
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