On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 16:35 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:15 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Karl :) > > > > today I got a RME card, very, very expensive. I'm > curious > > about it. I > > wonder if it will sound better than all the other > cards I > > know, or if I > > just spend money for nothing. I bought a B-stock > (customer > > return), so > > somebody perhaps wasn't satisfied by this card ;). > > > > ACK, but no full ACK regarding to "Linux audio isn't > that > > good, as > > proprietary audio is". MIDI jitter for hw MIDI is an > issue on > > all OS, > > AFAIK only Nuendo should be good and still with > limitations. > > There > > should be no App for Apple or Microsoft systems, > excepted of > > Nuendo. > > Using Jack2 from svn + a2jmidi_bridge on my Maverick > install > > had at > > least for one song, completely no limitation. It was > hard > > real-time as > > good as C64, Atari ST and 80's stand alone > sequencers, there > > was no > > jitter. > > Regarding to audio it depends to the needs. If I > should get > > rid of audio > > loss, I'm satisfied for home recording. Just for > professional > > work > > Ardour2 IMO isn't stable enough. Sometimes it crash > and > > sometimes still > > is to often, regarding to contract penalty. > > > > Best, > > > > Ralf > > > > > > for me, ardour is quite a bit more stable than cubase was > for me in > > XP, as well as more capable. i usually find when ardour is > crashy, its > > something im doing which is causing the instability. i was > trying the > > new irlv2 plugin, and that seemed to cause instability. i > tried using > > another packaged version of the irlv2 plug from falktx's > KXstudio ppa, > > and ardour (so far) has been stable again. i personally > enjoy the way > > JACK lets me push my system, and find the limitations of my > hardware. > > i remember doing something similar in cubase where i would > push the > > limits of latency and get a less stable system, making > cubase less > > stable. i have been in studios where most of the big name > current > > popular DAW's have crashed. when you push any system to its > limits, > > you can get instability. i find Paul Davis and the ardour > team to be > > quite responsive to comments and bug reports. if you are > experiencing > > ardour instability not relating to personal configuration > errors, i > > urge you to get involved, and report your findings. > personally, i find > > if i relax my JACK settings a bit, the system becomes stable > again. > > > I'm not abreast of the times regarding to the professional > audio work > that costs much money. Some years ago computers were only used > in the > studio, for live recordings or orchestra sessions stand-alone > devices > analog and/or digital were used. I remember one session at the > Sender > Berlin, Al Schmitt came from the USA and the equipment was a > bus from > France, the only computer was for the Neve's Flying Faders > (fader > automation ;) and this computer was invisible ;). The recorder > was a > digital Sony tape recorder. I wonder if somebody like Al > Schmitt would > use any computer today, so I did a google pic search ... > there's > something in the background :D ... > > http://www.grammy.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full_size_image/news/producera_maury_60232914_max.jpg?1296662944 > > Btw. he's one of the few very likeable professional engineers > I met, > most of those VIP engineers are complete assholes. > I should have thought he won't use a computer, but I guess I > was > mistaken. > > OTOH, if you take a look at this kind of studios, e.g. > http://www.chicksingernight.com/contest/Recording-TheVillage.jpg it > might be that those computers are quasi stand-alone-devices, > customized > to the whole equipment. > > I very often asked the community to give me the name of at > least one big > audio studio using Linux and I always noticed that they not > really know > what a professional studio is. > > What ever those guys are using, it's not Ardour2 ;). > > http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=al+schmitt+audio > > +engineer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=599&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi > > Hm? Bruce Sweeden? A bossom friend of Dirk Brauner ... Oops > this is the > correct writing "Bruce Swedien" > > There are monitors in the background, unfortunately tze pics > are just > thumbnails. http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Bruce+Swedien > +audio > > +engineer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=599&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi > > are you saying professional studios dont run ardour?.. to be clear, i > was pointing out that ANY DAW, on any OS can become unstable, and i > was also pointing out that if you are experiencing instability with > ardour, feel free to properly report the issue so all of us can take > advantage of the bug reporting and fixing. > > > as far as pro studios running ardour, my studio runs ardour. so does > this one http://www.sonicstudio.it/
This studio might be a good studio, don't get me wrong, but it has nothing in common with the real big studios. I guess the difference is visible ;). Anyway, the productions from this studio could be very good, I don't know it, but it's a small studio. I call this a home recording studio. > , and of course there is/was the > http://www.sae.edu/en-gb/content/80/Ardour_-_SAE_Edition . Haha SAE, in Germany they are an absolute joke, never met a good engineer from SAE, of cause they are important customers, even for professional companies that sell equipment. But forget SAE, it's completely non-serious. SAE are crooks in Germany! They aren't professional, Brauner sold stuff to them, we know SAE. It's an non-serious school. > there are plenty others if you want to google around and look them up. > i dont feel i need to defend ardour to anyone. if it works for you, > use it, and if it doesnt, then use what works for you. theres no > shortage of DAW's, even in linux (such as http://www.renoise.com/). > HOWEVER, do not help spread a false idea that linux and/or ardour is > not up to the task. are there limitations? of course. i think all > DAW's/OS's are going to have limitations. AFAIK, we dont really have a > good easy way to do 5.1 mixing in linux. video production software is > what it is. ardour2 doesnt have MIDI support, but version 3 will/does. > for me the combination of JACK + ubuntustudio with all the apps that > support JACK out of the box, and the interconnectivity that that gives > me is a win. if i did more MIDI sequencing, i might have a different > opinion, but i hope ardour3 is a good answer to that particular > workflow. How often did you record big orchestras in studio halls? I guess you and I we are talking about different things, when we are talking about professional audio engineering. I'm not talking about my home MIDI music, I'm talking about the jobs I did and about the jobs other people still do. If Ardour2 would crash you might need to repeat a 60 minutes recording with 30 musicians and a large studio hall, a studio bus etc., this is very much money. > > > PLEASE help us spread the work about how capable the software we have > is. if you prefer using protools or whatever, thats great, and i > personally welcome the constructive discussions of those differences, > and what is working well, and what is not, and why cubase or protools > (or whatever) is preferred. but please dont spread any misinformation > about how ardour is not capable. *chuckle* You spread misinformation. 1. I'm not pro protools!!! 2. Ardour2 can't be used. A crash could cost thousands of $. > a preference is a preference, but ardour is awesome, and utilized by > professionals all over the world. Thats not true! I like Ardour2. It's very, very good, but you can't do professional work with it. > > > i apologize if i misunderstood you, i can be defensive about the > software and community im passionate about. There's nothing bad with home recording. I'm poor and I like to get FLOSS home recording software. But audio engineering was my job. Best, Ralf > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > > > > > -- > MH > > http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ > http://wnclug.ourproject.org/ > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
