What are we talking about here please? a branch of opensource?
To find out how to build a dream machine, this is my predilected url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_Gearloose It is possible. Everything is possible. And i agree that it is important to state dreams with a very loud and clear message. Dreams. Not nightmares. If red till this, what are we talking about here please? On 2013-10-07 15:44, Gord Williams wrote: > /Hi, Gord. > > I think 'yet another xxx' is in the very deep nature of FOSS (Free or, at > least, Open Source Software), GPLed, etx. > It's something good and natural. It's the other side of the one-app-only > proprietary monopolic scheme. > > Maybe it isn't perfect, but is better. And you just live with it, in a > similar way you live with people saying stupidities just for the sake of free > speech (and is not for chance that 'free, as in freedom' appears again)./ > > Rivera, that's cool. Without FOSS there would be no free as in beer > software. Its perplexing to the ambitious because free as in beer just does > not make sense, as many of us have not found the bar that offers free beer. > Please forward the google map and we will meet up. > > There are definite camps or schools of thought within software. Years ago, > when I was using an Atari, with a 300 baud modem, it was just wonderful to > see a new app and figure out what it does, after breathlessly waiting for a > 'huge' 250kb download for an hour or more. Obviously the state of affairs > have changed and I no longer use 360kb 5.25 floppies and double notch them to > make 720k's out of them. > > Without FOSS I doubt I would have walked through installing Redhat on a Tandy > IBM 'clone' that had my first internal disc drive and hard drive. Darned if > I could get the monitor to work, and if it wasn't for the community on > FidoNet, Usenet, RelayNet, and other BBS based forerunners of what we use > today. It could take weeks to get a fussy monitor to work, even if > 'supported', let alone other peripherals that 'just work' today in Linux. > > Your right no one is calling the shots as to what a programmer decides he or > she wants to create. That's fine in the world where we go out to the garage > and play with the hot rod. But hasn't Linux grown beyond that just a little? > There are a few ambitious Linux creators that have done things and have > faced a backlash of sorts from the Richard Stallman's of the world, who's > website is starting to read a bit like a unibomber manifesto. What has the > guy been up to for 30 years? Adding to the list of coulda, woulda, > shoulda, is one thing I suppose. I try not to sound that that is it comes > off as unappreciative. > > Stallman went after Ubuntu recently because certain things in the lens of > Unity (I believe it was) were traceable at Canonical's servers. He refuses > to see that there could be a price to pay for allowing some level of pay as > you go, or pay as you will commercial type development to happen. I may be > too simple in saying that all you have to do is change the desktop or move to > Ubuntustudio without Unity and problem solved. > > It comes down to a chicken or the egg argument in situations like Stallman > vrs Canonical. Without Canonical more than one distribution would not be as > far ahead in terms of use as it is now. Redhat got involved with Novell > sometime back, and there was something else involved with SUSE. Clearly > improvements where and probably still are being made from entities with a > commercial agenda, one's usually with an community version of their software > that isn't quite FOSS. > > I am not here to debate or belittle the merits of FOSS or commercially raised > contributions. I admit like many others my mission is more about the result > of the software, hardware and OS than it might have been back in the > learning curve of probably 20 years, but please don't let me admit to that > number. It ages me so. > > I believe there is room for distributions to focus more sharply on use > whether they be FOSS or whether they have a shot in the arm from the > commercial sector. I think the world will stand up and notice a set of > tools that is fairly quick to adopt, truly helps people along with their > creative goals (or have fun trying), and is less geeky than it previously > was. > > My comment was more about the state of affairs. There are some really good > applications to pick from and the landscape shifts. Ardour I brought up > because I don't think it is truly open source, though the front of their > website says it is. In Stallman terms, its not truly free, as they have > this trap that amounts to a tin cup for tips. Or at least this is where the > terms of the free beer get a bit fuzzy. I wonder if anyone can freely > distribute it, if they choose it for their distro, that's all. > > Your right you put up with this stuff, and if you have it contribute a buck > to Paul Davis, because he and the rest of the crew have been doing a great > job for a number of years. This does exist somewhat outside of FOSS by > asking for donations, something not exclusive to their project. These are > not the idiots you put up with in order to have free speech, these are the > people you listen to because you have free speech, and optionally add your > opinion. > > There are some who are adding to the unibomber type agenda and who are very > unappreciative. Hopefully the balance of Linux users and even Mac and > Windows users, bless them, will be a little better than that on the whole. > Stallman has some interesting things to say on the whole, but unfortunately a > visit to his website is a bit scary if you consider some of the people you > have to put up with can also go there and take his intent and meaning a > different way. > > I certainly do not wish to join the chorus of people who say this and that > without appreciation for the hard work put into any project, but I also > reserve the free speech to say I don't need another calculator or six ways to > get to my steam account. > > > > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. 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