On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: > On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: >> On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: >>> On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts >>>> something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and >>>> not >>>> everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for >>>> years >>>> its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the >>>> group, I >>>> dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when >>>> people see this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a >>>> number >>>> of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not >>>> so long >>>> back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably >>>> harsh manner >>>> by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no >>>> evidence and >>>> proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. >>>> >>>> I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an >>>> expert, not >>>> everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you >>>> respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption >>>> and as >>>> many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making >>>> them >>>> feel small, they will only leave. >>> I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking >>> exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he >>> said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried >>> you? >>> >>> Colin >>> >> I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was >> acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot >> me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. >> >> I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt >> completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like >> they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable >> about Linux.....the rest of us are treated like I have been now. >> >> An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are >> shouted down in, by the same people every time. >> >> >> >> > If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) > aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does > small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider > community benefits, > > Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several > million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and > awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, > > some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so > unless you understand what it is asking you to do > > # > > > Do not install unsigned packages > # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository > # Keep your system up to date at all times > # Keep all browser plugins up to date > # If your distribution has SELinux, use it > # Do not let others install software on your machines > # Use solid passwords > # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why > > Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the > above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux > website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful > and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't > understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of > understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at > that from a complete new user viewpoint) > > > > Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really > does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the > above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more > secure through education and advice. > > I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can > help me explain each of the above points please, this information will > then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice > help others. > Hope this helps > > In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to > include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, > > Paul > > Hi, Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to continue using it?)
I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if anyone has some good links on the subject I (if not anyone else) would be interested in seeing them, But google will provide the answers im sure!! Thanks for giving me some more research.... I dont spend enough time in front of a screen (lol) Pete Smout -- [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
