Cameron,
Thats a tricky dependency issue, we are likely to opt to use 12.04
instead of 13.04 because Ubuntugis is not up to date. But many people
who try OSGeo-Live might then actually move to trying on 13.04. So in my
mind making sure existing already packaged projects are up to date takes
precedence over things that have never been deb packaged and might be
hard to create deb packages for. Even prioritizing Java stuff first I
have no expectations that even a fraction will be done in time for OSGeo
Live 7. However focusing on Debian/Ubuntugis current packages I expect
all of those will be ready in time for either 12.04 or 13.04.
So I disagree with you and agree with Alan on this plan. Having working
QGIS, GRASS, Postgis etc that all work together correctly is more
important to me than Java projects being apt-get installable.
Thanks,
Alex
On 06/11/2013 01:52 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Alan,
Re Java packaging, our biggest hurdle is there seems to be very few
people with java packaging experience, which is why it would be very
valuable to have someone research what is required, and set out a
roadmap for others to follow.
If we were to focus on java packaging for OSGeo-Live 7.0 (to be released
at foss4g 2013), then I'd suggest that java packaging should be focussed
on first, in order to give java projects time to help out. (I'm
expecting there to be quite a bit of research and discussion with
projects required). This would likely be at the expense of other
packaging efforts.
So while I'd love to see the java packaging issues worked out as the
primary goal, if we are to follow up with your schedule (which is a good
plan), I expect that java packaging will need to wait for a few more
releases. (Maybe a focus for a future GSoC project)
On 12/06/13 03:41, Alex Mandel wrote:
+1
I agree that we should 1. make sure Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) are
up to date on existing packages, 2. create instructions, workflows and
tools to make it easier to maintain (and bring in new maintainers, 3.
then move on to other ideas.
For those who haven't seen the plan
https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/jlarouche/16001
Thanks,
Alex
On 06/11/2013 05:40 AM, Alan Boudreault wrote:
Hi Cameron,
I'm really for the java packaging effort. One of the difficulty I see is
that as its mentor.. I do not have any java packaging experience. This
is something Jérome will have to learn by himself and any collaboration
with other devs will be appreciated.
However, before doing any java packaging stuff, I'd like to follow to
the GSoC plan. When everything is update and that we have a working
debian stable repository... we are going to start this effort.
Is it ok with you?
Regards,
Alan
On 13-06-07 05:45 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Jerome, Alan,
We discussed ideas about Jerome's contribution toward OSGeo-Live in our
OSGeo-Live weekly meeting yesterday and we see this summer-of-code
project as an excellent opportunity to tackle one of the difficult
packaging issues we have had to date. Namely, the packaging of java
based applications.
Historically, java packaging into ubuntu has been difficult, largely
due
to osgeo projects being dependant upon Sun Java, and Debian packaging
OpenJDK. We the last OSGeo-Live release, we successfully moved all
applications on OSGeoLive across to OpenJDK, so we should be in a good
position to start packaging these java based applications.
The other part of the problem, is that java projects usually don't have
much expertise in debian packaging (because they have not been doing
it), and debian packagers have not had much experience with java (again
because they have not been working with it).
What we really need is someone to work out how to bring these two
processes (and communities) together by doing to hard work of working
out what is required. Jerome's summer of code project provides an
excellent opportunity to make a big difference in this regard.
So I'd like to propose:
1. Jerome's primary focus should initially be on working out how to
package java applications into debian based systems (such as UbuntuGIS)
2. Start packaging the key java based applications. (I can introduce
you
to key java developers and projects to ask questions of)
3. I suspect we should start with the Geotools library first, then
GeoServer (which is used by a number of other applications), then other
java based applications (depending on which projects step up to work
with Jerome)
Jerome, Alan,
How does that sound for an idea?
On 06/06/13 02:47, Alex Mandel wrote:
On 06/05/2013 09:22 AM, Alan Boudreault wrote:
Hi all,
As some of you may already know, we got a OSGeo Google Summer of Code
slot for UbuntuGIS. I'd like to introduce Jérome Vileneuve
Larouche (a
student at The University of Québec at Chicoutimi) You may already
have
seen his name on the list since he was working part time with
Mapgears
during the last year. As the mentor of the project, I'm going to work
with Jérome to update and improve UbuntuGIS.
The main goals of the project is to:
- Train the student to be comfortable with debian/ubuntu packaging.
- Provide the UbuntuGIS-Stable Upgrade (biannual upgrade)
- Provide packages for Ubuntu Raring.
- Update UbuntuGIS unstable packages with all latest softwares
(Collaborate and contribute to DebianGIS)
- Collaborate with the user on the mailing list to be aware of the
known
issues and provide new package and/or fixes
- Provide upstream patches to various osgeo projects.
- Create a new repository for debian stable (7.0) with all current
up-to-date packages
- Create more documentation for users and new contributors. (Howtos,
tutorial)
- Collaborate with the OSGeo LiveDVD project (more packaging for
their
setup?)
We would be happy to hear comments/suggestions from the community to
improve UbuntGIS.
Best Regards,
Alan
Awesome. I look forward to more Howtos to help us train more people to
become maintainers of packages.
As a member of UbuntuGIS, and OSGeo Live I'll be happy to help
coordinate between the 2 projects.
Thanks,
Alex
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