I strongly disagree with Kenneth about Wh40k and WHFB. No other miniatures game has attracted so many players (estimates are in the hundreds of thousands) over such a long period of time across so many different editions. The game is so popular that mainstream video games are regularly released based on the IP. *Most* non-online game retailers around the country would admit that GW products make them their money and allow them to sell the other stuff they carry (this is based on my personal interactions with dozens of FLGS owners around the country as part of a military family and obviously might not hold true in Utah).
As for the $100 price tag. The components in SH 3rd ed. are far superior in quality to that of previous editions. 2nd edition retailed at $70, if I remember correctly. Add in standard inflation (and particularly board-game inflation) over the last 10 years and it's easy to see where the extra $30 comes from. The miniatures alone are that much based on current GW plastics prices. It's not like GW is hocking it for $200. Also: "lack of support"? I think we've all gotten far too addicted to FFG style games with 15 expansions coming out octo-annually. I'm perfectly content with a game that is self-contained. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, don't let all these negative comment that I made discourage you at > all, I maybe wrong and yes, I am still sour for that Talisman purchase a few > years back... > > $80 at BGR is still a good price, consider all those people paying full > retail plus shipping to get one. > > But currently, I don't know, it is so nice to own one, yet it is so > expensive... > > --- Ken --- > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Casey Rogers <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Those are some good points Ken. Hopefully I can try your copy out before >> Christmas to see if it's worth adding to my Christmas list. >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> When is GW supporting anything? Even Warhammer and 40K are just games >>> that let them sell more miniatures, Both system are all broken beyond all >>> repair, and both system are so out dated (it is unsalable), it is basically >>> a hobby for the fan boys with all their hard earned cash... $12 for a metal >>> miniature? Sure, are they made of silver or gold? Not even gold or silver >>> plated... >>> >>> Then it is the question of when this 3rd edition will be all gone? >>> Several years ago, I stupidly brought their 3rd edition reprint of Talisman >>> for $75 plus shipping. And now it only worth around $45, while several more >>> new edition of Talisman have be released and then FFG take over... And all >>> knows the story... >>> >>> And yes, GW has not re-release the re-release again (that is their >>> promise), but at that high price of an item, how long will it took them to >>> sell out? At an economy like this? a couple of months? and then what? >>> >>> A game without support, even if it is a good game, is as good as dead. >>> Sure they want our money, but then after a year or two, nobody else is >>> playing it any more (just like my first edition sitting in my closet), and >>> they don't care. It is us gamers who cares, but they have our money already >>> :) >>> >>> --- Ken --- >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Casey Rogers <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Oh I don't doubt Games Workshop is hyping it up to sell as many copies >>>> as possible. But knowing GW's lack of support for anything other than >>>> Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, I bet as soon as this 3rd edition is gone >>>> it >>>> will be a long time before we see another one in print. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well to tell the truth, I have not. >>>>> >>>>> But my collection at BGG is open for all to look at and also our Utah >>>>> County Boardgamers Association guild at BGG can pull all our collections >>>>> together into one collection pool. >>>>> >>>>> So that argument of not knowing somebody have the game does not explain >>>>> the reason why it is not on the table... >>>>> >>>>> The more I think about it, the more I feel like it is a hoax :) The >>>>> current re-release it is. More of a hype while is like all hypes at BGG :) >>>>> >>>>> --- Ken --- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Casey Rogers <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You haven't played it? If I had known somebody had it I would've asked >>>>>> to try it a long time ago. It is considered a classic among Ameritrash >>>>>> circles, and over the past few years it has routinely sold for near $100 >>>>>> on >>>>>> eBay. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Some how I am thinking this release is a hoax or some marketing >>>>>>> scheme... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the 1st Edition sitting in my closet for more than 10 years >>>>>>> and since then, nobody has ask to play with it, which I don't know >>>>>>> why... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And then suddenly when they announce a re-release, and then interest >>>>>>> has spike to an extreme, people are waving, people are scared, posting >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> BGG that they cannot get one, Games Workshop England (England only) has >>>>>>> announced it sold out all the online copies, and the only way to get >>>>>>> one is >>>>>>> through a local store (Note that this all is in England only). People >>>>>>> posted >>>>>>> that it is limited to a certain numbers, rumors fly around on how many >>>>>>> copies are printed and how limited it is. It all sound like the end of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, Games Workshop in the US still has copies to sell, and BGR has >>>>>>> at least 6 more copies to be sold locally, the others are allocated to >>>>>>> online sale..., and shops in Utah County are ordering boat load of them >>>>>>> (all >>>>>>> the stores that I talked to said they are getting at least 25 copies, >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> even 35 copies), are they all spoken for?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With $100 for a game (well BGR is selling at 20% discount of $80), >>>>>>> how many can the current market bear? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More than 10 years ago, I paid around $30 for my copy and now, price >>>>>>> has rise 3 fold, so is it worth it? Is it a rave or it is a true great >>>>>>> game? >>>>>>> If so why then my 1st Edition not get any play time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it worth it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know. Can any body tell me? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- Ken --- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mark Crane <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's on the shelf at http://boardgamerevolution.com and at a very >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> price (compared to retail). That box is *heavy*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "utah county boardgamers association" group. 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