I just enjoy trolling Ken, and other grognards. I am sure that Dragon's
Keep is open to any games that people wish to bring to the tables, wargame
or not.   When Ken says there "isn't room" I am pretty sure he is referring
to the space requirements of tabletop miniature games, and not the
welcoming attitude of the players themselves.

My son would like to play a wargame on Saturday.  I have Storms of Steel,
which we are both learning.  I think he might enjoy Combat Commander too,
but in my limited experience it's a little harder to work through the
rules.  Anyway, we will swing by and see what is happening.

In other news, I was invited to play Man O' War with a work colleague last
Friday.  It took four hours, with four players, to work through about four
turns.  It was fun, with lots of flavor, destruction, magic and special
abilities.  Not a game for those who don't enjoy dice and chaos, but a good
game for building a narrative.  I am tempted to look into Uncharted Seas or
perhaps Dystopian Wars.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote:

> MarkC is being silly here :)
>
> All of Games Workshop games are not historic simulation games (the correct
> term I am referring to now). Unless we have Orcs, Elves, Dwarfs, Dragons
> and Giants in our historic record (although to somebody they are real
> creatures :) )
>
> As I say before, the term "Wargame" is such a general term, it just means
> "games that deal with warfare" and so it will encompass any game that have
> a war element in it - Civilization, Small World and even Magic can be
> consider a wargame...
>
> What I am trying to define is what games Rick and I will like to play when
> we mention playing Wargames... Command and Colors: Ancient, LocknLoad Band
> of Heroes, Storm over Stalingrad, Flying Color, Mustangs, Panzerblitz etc
> are the few that we will like to introduce and want to find players that
> are interested in playing or trying those out...
>
> But others are welcome to join, but for Warhammer or any of the miniatures
> table top game, I don't think there is room for them this coming Saturday...
>
> Then again, it is Rick's idea, so I will not sound like I am taking over
> here :) As a wargamer, I am used to taking over as a tactic :)
>
> --- Ken ---
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Mark Crane <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wait, are you saying that Man O' War by Games Workshop isn't a wargame?
>>  What about Small World?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your post, but I guess there is some misconception here.
>>>
>>> By Wargamer, Rick means historical board wargames or historical conflict
>>> simulation - Advanced Squad Leader, Squad Leader, Third Reich, PanzerBlitz
>>> etc...
>>>
>>> I guess, wargame is too general a term and it includes miniatures table
>>> top games (a general misconception to most people)...
>>>
>>> A "Grognard" usually means they don't include Warhammer or 40K and
>>> such... Nothing against table top gamers here.
>>>
>>> And I know in Utah county there are a lot of Warhammer or 40K players,
>>> also there are a lot of table top miniatures gamers...
>>>
>>> Well, no offense here, just to make sure we are communicating the
>>> correct thing...
>>>
>>> --- Ken ---
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Wispwalker <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello fellow gamer!
>>>> We'd like to remind them we have a great community of wargammers at
>>>> Dragon's Keep.  We wanted to remind you that we run activities on
>>>> Thursdays at 7 pm. We just started a Warhammer 40k escalation league,
>>>> but we also have alternate times we run activities, especially
>>>> Saturdays, from 11am and on.  We are willing to run any kind of event
>>>> a new group would like to run.  Check out our great selection of Games
>>>> Workshop, Privateer Press Wyrd minis, and many other table top games
>>>> and accessory lines.  If you have questions,  call the store at
>>>> 801-373-3482.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 3:54 pm, Rick Billings <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> > Is there a board-gaming meet-up in Utah County on Saturday late
>>>> > mornings/early afternoons which is friendly to wargamers (and/or
>>>> > historical gaming like Twilight Struggle, 1960, Founding Fathers).
>>>> >
>>>> > I participate in the Wargaming group up in Sugarhouse on the 1st
>>>> > (board wargaming) and 4th (miniatures) Saturday of each month.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like to see if there is something local on the 3rd Saturday.
>>>> >
>>>> > Weekdays are a bust for me (I work at Hill AFB) and my days are very
>>>> > long.  Saturday evenings I try to reserve for my family.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for listening.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have Strike of the Eagle, Band of Brothers on pre-order  plus I have
>>>> > a fairly extensive collection (user rickbill at BGG)
>>>> >
>>>> >  - R
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