I cleverly sold my copy of Space Hulk to a local gamer for the $80 that I
had paid for it.  It's a good thing I don't run a hedge fund.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote:

> MarkC,
>
> Yep, I know you are trolling, and I like to write for that challenge...
>
> First, I am sure Dragon's Keep is open for all kinds of gaming (not sure
> about betting and poker tables though, I think those kind of gaming is not
> legal in Utah...) and have tables. But we are talking about Board Game
> Revolution on this coming Saturday, so just want to make sure the place is
> not confused...
>
> Second, thanks for the clarification, I mean space and that is correct,
> well, I like table top gaming too, I still have some Warhammer, 40K and
> Warmachine miniatures, it is just that I like Historical Simulation Board
> game more...
>
> Third, just have your some and you drop by, I think Rick is very willing
> to teach a new game and I will try to be there and see if there is anybody
> willing to learn a new game too. So drop by with your son, bring along
> anything. And BGR is just less than a 5 minute drive from your place :)
>
> I have Man O' War too, the official miniatures and the game is getting
> very expensive and hard to find. But it is easy to improvise, and I can
> point you to all the stuffs that can be downloaded to play the game.
>
> Look for DreadFleet by Games Workshop, it is simular to Man O' War...
>
> BTW, do you still have your copy of Space Hulk? It is selling for around
> $150 at ebay lately...
>
> ttyl
>
> --- Ken ---
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Mark Crane <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I just enjoy trolling Ken, and other grognards. I am sure that Dragon's
>> Keep is open to any games that people wish to bring to the tables, wargame
>> or not.   When Ken says there "isn't room" I am pretty sure he is referring
>> to the space requirements of tabletop miniature games, and not the
>> welcoming attitude of the players themselves.
>>
>> My son would like to play a wargame on Saturday.  I have Storms of Steel,
>> which we are both learning.  I think he might enjoy Combat Commander too,
>> but in my limited experience it's a little harder to work through the
>> rules.  Anyway, we will swing by and see what is happening.
>>
>> In other news, I was invited to play Man O' War with a work colleague
>> last Friday.  It took four hours, with four players, to work through about
>> four turns.  It was fun, with lots of flavor, destruction, magic and
>> special abilities.  Not a game for those who don't enjoy dice and chaos,
>> but a good game for building a narrative.  I am tempted to look into
>> Uncharted Seas or perhaps Dystopian Wars.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> MarkC is being silly here :)
>>>
>>> All of Games Workshop games are not historic simulation games (the
>>> correct term I am referring to now). Unless we have Orcs, Elves, Dwarfs,
>>> Dragons and Giants in our historic record (although to somebody they are
>>> real creatures :) )
>>>
>>> As I say before, the term "Wargame" is such a general term, it just
>>> means "games that deal with warfare" and so it will encompass any game that
>>> have a war element in it - Civilization, Small World and even Magic can be
>>> consider a wargame...
>>>
>>> What I am trying to define is what games Rick and I will like to play
>>> when we mention playing Wargames... Command and Colors: Ancient, LocknLoad
>>> Band of Heroes, Storm over Stalingrad, Flying Color, Mustangs, Panzerblitz
>>> etc are the few that we will like to introduce and want to find players
>>> that are interested in playing or trying those out...
>>>
>>> But others are welcome to join, but for Warhammer or any of the
>>> miniatures table top game, I don't think there is room for them this coming
>>> Saturday...
>>>
>>> Then again, it is Rick's idea, so I will not sound like I am taking over
>>> here :) As a wargamer, I am used to taking over as a tactic :)
>>>
>>> --- Ken ---
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Mark Crane <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait, are you saying that Man O' War by Games Workshop isn't a wargame?
>>>>  What about Small World?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Kenneth Li <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your post, but I guess there is some misconception here.
>>>>>
>>>>> By Wargamer, Rick means historical board wargames or historical
>>>>> conflict simulation - Advanced Squad Leader, Squad Leader, Third Reich,
>>>>> PanzerBlitz etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess, wargame is too general a term and it includes miniatures
>>>>> table top games (a general misconception to most people)...
>>>>>
>>>>> A "Grognard" usually means they don't include Warhammer or 40K and
>>>>> such... Nothing against table top gamers here.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I know in Utah county there are a lot of Warhammer or 40K players,
>>>>> also there are a lot of table top miniatures gamers...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, no offense here, just to make sure we are communicating the
>>>>> correct thing...
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Ken ---
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Wispwalker <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello fellow gamer!
>>>>>> We'd like to remind them we have a great community of wargammers at
>>>>>> Dragon's Keep.  We wanted to remind you that we run activities on
>>>>>> Thursdays at 7 pm. We just started a Warhammer 40k escalation league,
>>>>>> but we also have alternate times we run activities, especially
>>>>>> Saturdays, from 11am and on.  We are willing to run any kind of event
>>>>>> a new group would like to run.  Check out our great selection of Games
>>>>>> Workshop, Privateer Press Wyrd minis, and many other table top games
>>>>>> and accessory lines.  If you have questions,  call the store at
>>>>>> 801-373-3482.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 3:54 pm, Rick Billings <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> > Is there a board-gaming meet-up in Utah County on Saturday late
>>>>>> > mornings/early afternoons which is friendly to wargamers (and/or
>>>>>> > historical gaming like Twilight Struggle, 1960, Founding Fathers).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I participate in the Wargaming group up in Sugarhouse on the 1st
>>>>>> > (board wargaming) and 4th (miniatures) Saturday of each month.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I would like to see if there is something local on the 3rd Saturday.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Weekdays are a bust for me (I work at Hill AFB) and my days are very
>>>>>> > long.  Saturday evenings I try to reserve for my family.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks for listening.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have Strike of the Eagle, Band of Brothers on pre-order  plus I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> > a fairly extensive collection (user rickbill at BGG)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >  - R
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