[Continued from part 1/2]
7. THE REFUTERS OF THE GIANT "AIDS VIRUS" PROPAGANDA
HOAX - AND SOME DIFFICULTIES ON THE PART OF SOME
RECENT NET WRITERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING
It obviously was Dr. Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, professor of
medical physics [note 23.07.02: not a professor, I've learned,
but "only" a M.Sc.; she also is a nuclear scientist] at Royal
Perth Hospital, Australia, who first, and as long ago as in the
mid-1980s, ascertained that "AIDS" was *not* being caused by a
virus. The findings of her "Perth group" have since been con-
firmed by many others. The German virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka,
for instance, supports its views. I cannot tell much about the
relative merits of different scientists in breaking through the
massive suppression machinations by the imperialists against
these findings.
Quite important as "whistle-blower" clearly has been Dr. Peter
H. Duesberg, professor of molecular and cell biology at the
University of California, Berkeley, USA. He during some ten
years suffered ostracism and blacklisting for his constantly
trying to get the main facts, those of the NON-infectious
character of so-called "AIDS", known publicly.
In contrast to those mentioned above, Duesberg holds (or held
as late as in 1997) that a virus "HIV" *has* been detected. It
appears to me (a non-expert) that he is (or was) wrong on this.
(In some recent postings, before I had read more of the mate-
rial at www.virusmyth.com, I presented matters as if Dr. Dues-
berg was right about it, also mis-spelling his name "Dues-
burg".) He has said repeatedly anyway that this "HIV", which
he holds/held to exist, is quite harmless.
Sponsoring or hosting the website www.virusmyth.com is the
president of South Africa, Thabo Mbeki. He by this and other
actions is contributing towards the public refutation of the
"AIDS virus" hoax. It's doubtful whether he personally has so
far understood those actual facts which do refute it.
One unquestionably well-intentioned writer, the author of a
newsletter on 29.07.00 i.a. on these matters by "GRANDS-LACS
CONFIDENTIEL, GREAT LAKES CONFIDENTIAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
based in Canada and supporting the just struggle of the DR Con-
go for national liberation, made the mistake of reporting that
some of the "dissident" scientists were saying that "AIDS is
not harmful". No, none of them ever said that. What Duesberg
(for instance) has said is that *that virus* which he has
maintained exists, "HIV", is harmless.
Hari Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, of the pro-Hoxha-right-
about-turn "Alliance Marxist-Leninist - North America" in a re-
cent brief Net debate with me was unable to distinguish between
the "syndrome" "AIDS", on the one hand, and the (purported)
"virus", "HIV", on the other.
His mind had obviously been so poisoned, on these questions, by
the media hoax, that he could not read what I had written. He
"accused" me, first of "supporting", with no facts (of course)
to substantiate this, the "counterpoint" theory about "US bio-
logical warfare by virus" - which I had already seen was wrong
and was in fact opposing. And then, on 10.08, there was the
following exchange, in which neither of us was quite right:
[Hari K.:]
>Comrade Martens,
>I regret that you have missed the point.[!]
>There is reasonable evidence that HIV is a virus.[!]
[Rolf M.:]
>Of course "HIV" is a virus. Nobody said otherwise. The
>thing is, it does not, repeat N O T, cause "Aids". - RM
Not quite right, since experts since long had been questioning
the very existence of such a virus. I had not yet really under-
stood this.
[Hari:]
>There is reasonable evidence that there is a pandemic.
[= "world epidemic" - RM]
Quite wrong, of course, a belief no doubt induced in Hari K.,
as probably in many others, by that massive and long-time media
propaganda. He will not be able to show any such "evidence". I
referred him to www.virusmyth.com.
For telling me about that site in the first place, I'm grate-
ful to Annick Lambert, Canada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
I hope he will have seen that the "counterpoint theory" of an
"AIDS virus" created "by accident" or "for biological warfare"
(in *such* a manner) is incorrect. He appeared to at least
suspect it might be true - as did I (too), only a week ago.
8. WHAT ARE THE REAL, BASICALLY TRUTH-TELLING, EXPERTS
SAYING? (QUOTES FROM www.virusmyth.com)
On there really being NO "AIDS":
Duesberg, in an interview, 1993:
Q: "Why is it considered AIDS, then?"
A: "That's one of the questions I would love to know
the answer to. I have asked several experts; they
always get mad. AIDS is always presented as if it's all
immune deficiency. It is not at all. Cancer has nothing
to do with immune deficiency."
Q: "So what is the common denominator between all of
the 25 AIDS diseases?"
A: "None! They name it AIDS, that's all. None of these
38 percent have anything whatsoever to do with immuno-
deficiency, but they're called AIDS.
There's not one AIDS disease that's new. What is new is
only the incidence of these diseases in 20-to 45-year-
old men, mostly, and a few women, has gone up." [in US]
Lanka, in the magazine Continuum, Feb./March 1997:
"Every concerned person knows by now that "AIDS" has a
different meaning on every continent, with its different
causes. "AIDS" is an inadmissible artificial diagnosis:
it has been legitimised through the introduction of
"HIV" as a constructed cause. The AIDS-myth with its
exploitation of [in fact, even its introduction of - RM]
the fear of an alleged deadly sex-plague has been blind-
ly launched into the realm of seemingly scientifically-
based biological fact through the pseudo-rational "HIV"
detection technique. But the two terms according to the
rules of construction depend on each other. The clarifi-
cation of the question whether "HIV" exists, with the
most secure method of identification available (and this
would be only the isolation of complete "HI-viruses") is
a sine qua non for dismantling the mass-delusional
trance called "AIDS". Only then may the task of research
with the needed temperance and precision, into the
causality of the concrete disease complexes behind
"AIDS", be addressed."
Papadopulos-Eleopulos and others, Continuum, Feb./March 1997:
"What does one have to do and how hard does one have to
plead in order to obtain answers to fundamental ques-
tions regarding a retrovirus which has menaced the
world and in whose name hundreds of thousands of people
have died or been poisoned?"
In fact there are some REAL "HIVs" in the world who are causing
this and other misery: The Human Imperialist Vampires. They
must be jointly combated by the peoples in all countries. Their
rule must be overthrown completely and they themselves suppres-
sed most rigorously, for a long time to come.
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