Mr. Kipenji:
Your puny attempts to transplant moral standards and norms from one era to another notwithstanding, it is an indisputable fact that Obote is a mass murderer, quite on par with Idi Amin.
In Obote I, at least 10,000 Ugandans -- mostly Baganda -- were killed by his government.
In Obote II, Obote murdered at least 300,000 Ugandans. We cannot, have never and will never forget the horrors of "Luweero Triangle". It is Obote who brought concentration camps to Uganda. It was Obote who instituted random killings to terrorize the population. One of his lasting dark legacies in Uganda is the term "Panda Gari". For documentary proof consult a report written by an organization called The Minority Rights Group. It is report no. 66 and is entitled Uganda and Sudan: North and South, published in London, 1984. It is one of the very many sad writing that document Obote's murderous brutality.
Hell eagerly awaits Obote, just as it did his protege, one Idi Amin.
As for the alleged passport, it is clear that you have no evidence of it, otherwise you'd have produced it. And no, the burden of proof cannot rest with me -- unless you do not understand that concept at all. Nonetheless, I give you one more chance to give us the precise citation (like I have done with the The Minority Rights Group report), where Mandela wrote something to that effect. If you do not have it, do not chew up valuable bandwidth with content-free verbiage.
--- Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=====================================================================
>
> J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr. Kipenji,
>
> Provide facts: if you have any credible
> documentation about Obote providing Mandela with a
> passport by all means provide it, instead of
> grand-standing.
>
> However, even if it were true, I fail to see how
> this would redeem that barbarian.
>
>
> --- Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mwaami Ssemakula,did Nelson Mandela also state
> that
> > the first
> > travel document(Passport) that he used to travel
> > outside South
> > Africa et Africa was a Ugandan passport that was
> > recommended
> > by this samesome Obote?.
> > Lets always talk facts not figments of our
> > imaginations that obscure
> > whatever we really want to say for we are wont to
> > expose our rabid loathe
> > of someone.
> > Thanks.
> > Kipenji.
> >
> ===========================================================
> >
> > J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Fugee,
> >
> > I see that you have no substantive rebuttal to Mr.
> > Ibingira's expose' of Obote as a conniving
> > power-hungry megalomaniac.
> >
> > As fo r the bit about Obote's attempts to bar the
> ANC
> > from the OAU's pre-cursor, it is from an
> impeachabe
> > source: Mr. Mandela himself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- -Original Message Follows----
> > From: "The Fugee"
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret
> Wars
> > and Abuse of Office
> > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:33:52 +0200
> >
> > Ssemakula,
> >
> > Many of us have decided to leave you to your rabid
> > hatred of Obote. You
> > seem to be so confused by your hatred that you
> would
> > absolve everyone,
> > including yourself, of any responsibility in
> > ensuring that Ugandans and
> > Uganda gets what it truly deserves. As such I find
> > it very difficult to
> > even begin to discuss or debate any matter as you
> > have concluded where
> > all blame should lie. Th ough I must confess that
> I
> > have seriously
> > ; thought about tackling an issue raised by you
> > through Ibingira's
> > writings and time willing I may still do so.
> >
> > The real question is: What have you done and what
> > are you doing for a
> > truly democratic Uganda where all citizens have
> and
> > can enjoy their God
> > given personal to holder fundamental human rights
> > and freedoms?
> >
> > The Fugee
> >
> > PS "Why did he try to have Mandela and the ANC --
> > which he termed a
> > "tribal organization" -- banned from attending the
> > OAU's precursor
> > meeting in Addis Ababa? Who were/are Obote's
> masters
> > whose interests he
> > worked so hard to uphold?"
> > Where did this come from?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of
> > J Ssemakula
> > Sent: 15 August 2003 21:25
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret
> Wars
> > and Abuse of Office
> >
> > Is it safe to assume that even the UPC zealots
> have
> > finally seen the
> > light that power-hungry megalomaniacal Obote was
> and
> > is a liability?
> >
> > Is there any doubt that Obote single-handedly set
> > Uganda on the course
> > of decay that it has never recovered from?
> > Where the heck is Mr. Dambisya's promised
> > (threatened?) defense of
> > Obote?
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "J Ssemakula"
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars
> and
> > Abuse of Office
> > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:15:51 +0000
> >
> >
>
>
>
|
Barbarians brought about what we have come to call Uganda Matyrs.Those poor souls lost their lives because of the barbarians who claimed to be leaders when only they were killers.
To this day the blood of those close to 40 innocent lives urdered/massacred/butchered at the behest of the loving king is still hauting the king's people.They are very ready at short notice to wallow in violence and violent acts even at the sheer imagination of one being their enemies.This has apparently assumed a mass paranoia that needs very serious group therapy to enable these Kings people pupate from their Xenophobia.
There is thus an urgent need for cleansing before we really get into sober political discourse.
On the issue of Nelson Mandela's first travel document,just like the statement that occassioned your response,Mandela himself is the author and so the burden of proof rests with you who would rather not believe because as per your judgement Obote(who unfortunately is not as barbaric as that loving King who ordered the massacre of innocent people) should have authorized such at the risk of annoying the British.
Lastly rather than reedem Obote,you look into a mirror and infront of you will be the epitome of barbarism that very much needs redeeming.
Thanks and God bless you so that his peace that passes all understanding can be with you and reside in you.
Kipenji. |
=====================================================================
>
> J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr. Kipenji,
>
> Provide facts: if you have any credible
> documentation about Obote providing Mandela with a
> passport by all means provide it, instead of
> grand-standing.
>
> However, even if it were true, I fail to see how
> this would redeem that barbarian.
>
>
> --- Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mwaami Ssemakula,did Nelson Mandela also state
> that
> > the first
> > travel document(Passport) that he used to travel
> > outside South
> > Africa et Africa was a Ugandan passport that was
> > recommended
> > by this samesome Obote?.
> > Lets always talk facts not figments of our
> > imaginations that obscure
> > whatever we really want to say for we are wont to
> > expose our rabid loathe
> > of someone.
> > Thanks.
> > Kipenji.
> >
> ===========================================================
> >
> > J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Fugee,
> >
> > I see that you have no substantive rebuttal to Mr.
> > Ibingira's expose' of Obote as a conniving
> > power-hungry megalomaniac.
> >
> > As fo r the bit about Obote's attempts to bar the
> ANC
> > from the OAU's pre-cursor, it is from an
> impeachabe
> > source: Mr. Mandela himself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- -Original Message Follows----
> > From: "The Fugee"
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret
> Wars
> > and Abuse of Office
> > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:33:52 +0200
> >
> > Ssemakula,
> >
> > Many of us have decided to leave you to your rabid
> > hatred of Obote. You
> > seem to be so confused by your hatred that you
> would
> > absolve everyone,
> > including yourself, of any responsibility in
> > ensuring that Ugandans and
> > Uganda gets what it truly deserves. As such I find
> > it very difficult to
> > even begin to discuss or debate any matter as you
> > have concluded where
> > all blame should lie. Th ough I must confess that
> I
> > have seriously
> > ; thought about tackling an issue raised by you
> > through Ibingira's
> > writings and time willing I may still do so.
> >
> > The real question is: What have you done and what
> > are you doing for a
> > truly democratic Uganda where all citizens have
> and
> > can enjoy their God
> > given personal to holder fundamental human rights
> > and freedoms?
> >
> > The Fugee
> >
> > PS "Why did he try to have Mandela and the ANC --
> > which he termed a
> > "tribal organization" -- banned from attending the
> > OAU's precursor
> > meeting in Addis Ababa? Who were/are Obote's
> masters
> > whose interests he
> > worked so hard to uphold?"
> > Where did this come from?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of
> > J Ssemakula
> > Sent: 15 August 2003 21:25
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret
> Wars
> > and Abuse of Office
> >
> > Is it safe to assume that even the UPC zealots
> have
> > finally seen the
> > light that power-hungry megalomaniacal Obote was
> and
> > is a liability?
> >
> > Is there any doubt that Obote single-handedly set
> > Uganda on the course
> > of decay that it has never recovered from?
> > Where the heck is Mr. Dambisya's promised
> > (threatened?) defense of
> > Obote?
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "J Ssemakula"
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars
> and
> > Abuse of Office
> > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:15:51 +0000
> >
> >
>
>
>
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