Would you start by defining Uganda to convince those of us who do not hang along your twisted perception of the state of Uganda? It has not occurred to me that Uganda is a nation state and all of us other "Ugandan" are aliens.
Why don't you wait until Buganda becomes a state and tell that generation your feudal utopia?
Why not invest in constructive arguments conducive to mutual / bilateral understandings. It is not always possible to converge on a common understanding from a derogatory domain
Don't some of you know that there are differences between "Tribe" and "Tribalism" and, between Ethnicity and Ethnicism"?
Your debate, if any at all, could be insulting a lot more Ugandan with integrity than you care to know. And infact you have suceessfully succeeded in repelling Ugandan's lust for information.
Happy Easter
noc'l
>From: "Adam Dada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North survive without theSouth??
>Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:53:08 +0000
>
>Lisa Toro,
>
>I don't think we, as notherners, are the right people to talk about
>kindness and friendship, nor do we even have the moral authority to
>do so. The Baganda have shown us friendship and kindness over the
>centuries by allowing us to live among themselves and almost
>assimilating (ask Mulindwa), to the extent of even voting Obote to
>power in I962. How have they been repaid by us? By abolishing the
>King and Kingdom, by murdering them in Luwero and constantly
>persecuting them. We really have to work hard to justfy those words
>you have used "kindness and friendship", and at least have some
>remorse for once for our actions against the Baganda, instead of
>trying to give them lectures about those virtues.They have not
>gained anything at all from being kind and friendly to us. They are
>unlikely to accept a similar situation in the future. Mine is a
>request to my kin and keith, including you Lisa, to abandon that
>baseless arrongance and own up to the mistakes and atrocities, and
>realize we have to learn alot from the Baganda not vice-versa. Only
>then can we forge a new beginning.
>Adam
>
>>From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North
>>survive without theSouth??
>>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:50:14 +0100
>>
>>emmanuel musaazi,
>>
>>Try the language of the cultured!, not the NRM opppressive and
>>dictatorial
>>style. Ugandans learn things in Buganda culture and indeed other
>>cultures
>>through kindness, friendship and understanding shown to them not
>>the type of
>>arrogance you showing here.
>>
>>Toro
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:55 PM
>>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North
>>survive
>>without theSouth??
>>
>>
>> > ..to all those who are "buganda" challenged vis a vis buganda
>>culture and
>> > customs, and who feel they need to be educated, please check
>>this website;
>> > http://www.buganda.com.
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the
>>North
>>survive
>> > >without the South??
>> > >Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:31:05 +0000
>> > >
>> > >Ms Mukooza,
>> > >
>> > >I hate wiseacres like Odwe. Instead of requesting to be
>>educated, they
>> > >display their ignorance about an issue by pretending to know
>>more about
>> > >that culture than the people who belong to it. There is nothing
>>backward
>> > >about the three phrases he refers to and therefore there is
>>nothing wise
>> > >about resisting them.
>> > >
>> > >I'm in no mood now to start explaining to him the whole
>>background of
>>those
>> > >phrases, but I'd just like to point out to him that 'yedira ki'
>>(i.e. the
>> > >clans) is the basis on which the whole Kiganda culture is built
>>on. The
>> > >clans are the means through which a Muganda can identify
>>him/herself.
>>There
>> > >are several reasons why one has to know which clan he/she
>>belongs to. For
>> > >more information he should ask a Muganda near him (but he has
>>to be a
>>real
>> > >Muganda).
>> > >
>> > >Kasangwawo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >>Subject: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North
>>survive
>> > >>without the South??
>> > >>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:57:43 -0800 (PST)
>> > >>
>> > >>Odwe:
>> > >>
>> > >>Hahahaha, do not make me laugh! "Oyo yedira ki, mwana wani,
>>oyo
>> > >>munamawanga etc" is practiced by Northerners. Recently these
>>Northerners
>> > >>refused to apologize to Luwero people for the atrocities they
>>committed
>>on
>> > >>them. The reason was because they are Baganda. These
>>Northerners
>> > >>apologized or burried the differences between themselves
>>(Acholi, Langi,
>> > >>Teso) but they could not do the same to themselves. You see
>>with such
>> > >>kind of discrimination, do you really think Museveni is
>>stupid?? He can
>> > >>deal with that nonsense real well and manipulate it to his own
>>advantage.
>> > >>
>> > >>Uganda has tribes and tribal identity is very alive. We have
>>Odwe who
>> > >>identifies himself as a Northerner. Why do Northerners want
>>to fit in
>>in
>> > >>Buganda, anyway?? May I ask. Why don't they like Southerners
>>in the
>> > >>North and yet they want to come to the South?? This is the
>>kind of
>> > >>nonsense and sillyness many Northerners feed on. They are
>>indeed living
>> > >>in a fantasia. They panic whenever a Southerner buys land in
>>the North.
>> > >>Why?? Because our brothers and sisters in the North
>>descriminate
>>against
>> > >>tribes. That's how they've have been in the past and I don't
>>see them
>> > >>changing in the near future either.
>> > >>
>> > >>Edward is not what he is presenting himself to be to us.
>>That's the
>> > >>truth. Odwe, you can make up stories of how you've meet this
>>man and I
>> > >>don't give an ear to such lies. Any fool can come here and
>>try to
>> > >>convience me how he/she has met "Mulindwa". And how
>>"Mulindwa" never
>> > >>asked for his/her tribe. I have had a different encounter of
>>"Mulindwa"
>> > >>contrally to yours. The first thing Edward ever asked me on
>>this forum
>> > >>when I was new as my tribe. He automatically tribalized me to
>>the
>>Kiganda
>> > >>tribe. That's why I can not believe this lie of yours. I am
>>a critical
>> > >>thinker. This nonsense can not work with me. Try a new lie.
>> > >>
>> > >>Uganda is diverse. We have to accept that. More Northerners
>>are moving
>> > >>Southwards than Southerners moving North, in times of peace.
>>Why??
>>This
>> > >>is the kind of stupidity I will not tolerate. Can the North
>>survive
>> > >>without the South?? You need to have sense in your brain
>>cells. Uganda
>> > >>is tired of liars like you, that is why this country is stil
>>backwards.
>> > >>
>> > >>Zakoomu M.
>> > >>
>> > >>joseph odwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>Members
>> > >>
>> > >>There are many other important things we should be focusing on
>>instead
>>of
>> > >>allowing ourselves to be diverted by the itellectually lost
>>bunch, who
>> > >>have opted for such silyness in the absence of sound keen
>>reasoning to
>>any
>> > >>inteligent questions and points put to them. The questions and
>>points to
>> > >>which they solicite by their obvious hunger for knowledge
>>depicted
>>through
>> > >>their utterances here on the forum. I happened to meet Mr.
>>Mulindwa back
>> > >>in 2000 when he visted London Ontario from his base then in
>>Toronto.
>> > >>Belief me he is what Uganda needs. He is one of those who have
>>seen the
>> > >>wisdom in resisting the "oyo yedira ki, mwana wani, oyo
>>munamawanga etc"
>> > >>bakward thinking that some regretably share to this day. In
>>fact I don't
>> > >>remember Mulindwa having asked me as the tribe I belong to.
>>After being
>> > >>introduced to him as a fellow Ugandan we got right into normal
>>coversation
>> > >>that lead us to the brain storming about our country's herples
>>situation.
>> > >>I must also admit that during the discusi
>> > >> on he
>> > >> opened my mind so much as to what we could do as an
>>individual and as
>>a
>> > >>group to futher the cause of our motherland. Let's stop
>>dweling on
>> > >>individualistic interests that tend divid our people along
>>un-productive
>> > >>ventures. Anyone who advocates for any form of protectionistic
>>approach
>>to
>> > >>any issue would only be admitting the weakness of such product
>>or in
>>this
>> > >>case culture to trive by itself along side others. Fellow
>>Ugandans who
>> > >>have sturbonly chosen to live in the oudated thinking and
>>mindset which
>> > >>imprisons their productive reasoning capacity would rather
>>hold the
>>whole
>> > >>country in captivity than think anew. To those I say open your
>>mind for
>> > >>new ideas and thinking please. Uganda can entertain
>>divisionitic gosips
>> > >>any longer. We have an tremendous task to free our motherland
>>at hand.
>>To
>> > >>whose side are playing on such thinking and waste of energy or
>>you'r at
>> > >>work?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >From: "aokwong-okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - is this
>>a joke?
>> > >> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:08:37 -0500
>> > >> >
>> > >> >HI,
>> > >> > Mulindwa is MULINDWA, alive in the same skin I have
>>known him in
>> > >>since September 1989 when I came to Toronto and met him. He
>>has grown
>>day
>> > >>and night, intellectually since the advent the world wide web.
>>The
>> > >>unfortunate thing about UGANDANS is that they think and
>>believe that one
>> > >>is educated only and only if he went into a class or lecture
>>hall. It is
>>a
>> > >>myopic belief, which those who have it and their
>>classroom/lecture hall
>> > >>education think they have a right and only them can
>> > >>comment/analyse/prescribe to Uganda's political chaos. My
>>brother
>>Mulindwa
>> > >>gooo on, make their blood boil with your incisive questions
>>and
>>commentry.
>> > >>May Allah sharpen your mind and make it more potent!.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Aloysius.
>> > >
>> >
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