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Can someone answer me truly why is it that Africans who live in Africa cannot unite get rid of corrupt govt.(s) and become one nation I know it sounds simple but what is the real problem was it divide and conquer. I don't know as a descendant of African slaves I know the problem in the US we were brainwashed and stripped of culture identity, and lanquage etc. so why can't Africans in Africa get together get rid of the problem causers the outside influnce etc.
African Oracle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"What you wrote below sinks beneath naivete. You are stuck in a time warp, regurgitating OLD CANARDS that are of little relevance today and betray fundamental ignorance of African reality." - Ayittey
I always think you can do better than this.
Dele
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] Re: Where is Miss Pat on Who is the new oppressor in post Independence?
Matek,
What you wrote below sinks beneath naivete. You are stuck in a time
warp, regurgitating OLD CANARDS that are of little relevance today and
betray fundamental ignorance of African reality.
You write AS IF Congo is the ONLY African country where the people were
subjugated or oppressed and that oppression would not have been possible
without the support of the CIA. This statement of yours carries the
implication that apart from Congo, ALL other African countries have been
FREE. Such nonsense.
For your information, in 1990, only 4 out of the 54 African countries
were democratic. Today, the number is a paltry 16. Political tyranny is
still the order of the day in the vast majority of the African
countries. Your statement seems to suggest that the CIA, because of its
support for Mobutu, is behind all this oppression. Such nonsense.
Tell us who supported:
1. Mengistu of Ethiopia,
2. Siad Ba
rre of
Somalia,
3. Sani Abacha of NIgeria,
4. Mattieu Kerekou of Benin,
5. Ghaddafi of Libya,
6. Idi Amin of Uganda,
7. Mugabe of Zimbabwe,
8, Beshir of Sudan,
9. Taya of Mauritania,
and on and on and on.
To come and tell us that the CIA alone is behind the oppression of
Africans is, to say the least, RIDICULOUS.
George Ayittey,
Washington, DC
Msjoe and netters:
Africans at home and in the Diaspora know of the CIA's support of
Dictator Mobutu Ssese Seko.kuku Wazabanga.....a support without which
the total and complete subjugation of the Congolese people would have
been impossible. The statistics presented by nyatsimba below , is but
a known fact to many of us Africans. ..of course Washington now
dismisses it's support of Mobutu with a waive of the hand , while
arguing that the support was neccessary because Washington was engaged<
BR>in a
"cold war" rivary between n
the "west" and the communist "east" ..and that Mobutu was an allie in
the cold war. Mention is not made of
the fact that man many Africans died under Mobutu reign of terror. It is
suprising that no congolese has
directly held the US accountable for the suffering of Congolese
citizens under Mobutu. One would think
that some smart Congolese could have should have taken the US governemnt
to the courts..if I may say so!!
Peace!!
Matek
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Ms Pat:
Good evening from Eastern Standard Time. I am very much interested
in your inquiry, if you know the answer. To facilitate, we
can exchange notes on what happened after independence as we come
by them. Can you please click the reference below
Nyatsimba's email? Please,
do not
forget to come back on when it
happened and if those Africans stood a chance to get rid of
Mobutu who was ably fortified by?????
As I said, my request is simple - just reasonable analyses based on
the known. You can add practicalities to reasonableness.
Thanks.
MsJoe
In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:14:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interesting article:
"In recent years U.S. policy has stressed the need for good
governance in Africa. Most Africans view this as a
supreme irony given Washingtonâ
€™s
quarter-century of active
support for Africa’s most notorious and
antidemocratic ruling crook, Mobutu. Between 1962 and 1991, the
U.S. directly supported Mobutu (with close to
$150 million in CIA bribes and secret payments) and his
government (with more than $1.03 billion in development
aid and $227.4 million in military assistance). It even
provided transport for foreign troops used to suppress
anti-Mobutu rebellions in 1977 and 1978.
The U.S. also helped funnel World Bank loans and IMF credits to
Mobutu’s government, even though internal
documents reveal that these agencies knew in advance the money
was likely to be stolen and the
loans
unlikely to
be repaid. Mobutu used IMF and World Bank loans to repay
Zaire’s private creditors, thereby transforming
private debt into public debt now amounting to almost $14
billion.
Mobutu reciprocated by providing bases and supply routes for
UNITA rebels and by backing the U.S. in various
arenas. For instance, as chair of the UN Security Council in
the months immediately prior to the Gulf War, Zaire was
crucial in rallying support for the U.S.-led military
operation."
http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol2/v2n37cz_body.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Pat:
Happy Spring Century.
There is functional independence and nominal independence.
Yes, African gained nominal
independence. Go to the books and read that. Pat, can you
explain why colonial masters saw it
necessary to be fomenting coup d'etats after post-colonial
Africa? Do me a favor. I have lost my copy
on Belgian's
complicity in Lumumba's death. Do you have a
copy?
Be cautioned, I am not into white man versus black man and
other conspiracies. I just need facts and
reasonable analyses based on the known. Who is the new
oppressor? Of course we cannot let current
African leaders off the hook if they fail to uplift. But I
still want you to tell whether the old debauchers
actually left.
MsJoe
In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:30:08 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
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